Steveporn

[The Newswire]

I was super psyched to see notable writer Gram Ponante join the Blue Blood forums this week. His writing cracks me up. I was also super psyched by his recent press mention of Blue Blood where, among other things, he said:

"Part of the 1300th photoset hosted on pioneering punk erotica site Blue Blood.com, the photos of Sara X remind me that I really...

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[One Eyed Cat]

Inevitably, others now labeled "alt.porn" would seek out the "steveporn" label. You'd end up having to change the label ad nauseum. I'll go with DAC. It just reminds me too much of a lot of other "lost" words.

OEC

[Amelia G]

Originally Posted by OneEyedCat

Inevitably, others now labeled "alt.porn" would seek out the "steveporn" label. You'd end up having to change the label ad nauseum. I'll go with DAC. It just reminds me too much of a lot of other "lost" words.

OEC

True that.

I think that is some of Gram's point about having to constantly define and re-define, but I'm personally a big fan of reclaiming and owning terminology.

I don't want to be one of the furnaces which heats mainstream fashions by always jumping to the next thing. I want to be sincerely into what I'm into, not just into it because it is the next big thing. And yet I live in LA by choice. And I like it here. Go figure.

[One Eyed Cat]

Originally Posted by Amelia G

True that.

I think that is some of Gram's point about having to constantly define and re-define, but I'm personally a big fan of reclaiming and owning terminology.

I don't want to be one of the furnaces which heats mainstream fashions by always jumping to the next thing. I want to be sincerely into what I'm into, not just into it because it is the next big thing. And yet I live in LA by choice. And I like it here. Go figure.

His article is great and very apropros to the subject. I would tend a bit more towards your viewpoint, but I think some words may need a funerary ritual of sorts. As far as LA, I don't seriously think one's locale really matters. I do like to bash on mass media, but that is omnipresent now. One thing you said did surprise me though: I see LA as a place of not give a fuck. Yet, there is the same melodramatics as the Bay Area? Or am I just conflating one silly incident with 45 Grave etc?

OEC

[Gram_Ponante]

The way I came to understand it, there was very little that was "alt" about what the current few video practitioners of the genre did, and I thought that Vivid creating a whole label for it was silly. The label seemed unnecessarily restrictive.

But I think that, in the beginning, Eon's attempt to pitch his ideas got so steamrolled and reworked by the marketing departments of the places he worked that he eventually went with the flow and took the credit that was being forced on him by a minority of video porn companies.

I'm sure he did not say "I invented altporn" but, in looking for a hook, the people responsible for marketing deliberately overlooked all the alt on the web as well as all the alt that came before Eon.

And I was that way, too. All I knew at the time was ******* *****. It was only later when I started looking at domain registration dates that I realized that there was way more to alt - whatever it was - than whatever VCA or Vivid said there was, and indeed what any of the video-based altporn kids were laying claim to.

I used the term Steveporn only to say that whatever alt was, Eon and his crowd weren't doing it, or weren't doing it exclusively. Ron Royster was different from Eon, Eon was different from Octavio, and Octavio was different from Vena Virago. Rob Rotten was different from them all.

I'm trying to figure out where the serene DAC comes in to all of this. Does he do Steveporn too? Might as well; it's not alt.

I think if you invented the term altporn or you were one of its early adopters, you should keep it. And if Eon does an altporn movie he should say, "this is in the altporn genre" or say "this is a movie about my cat" if it isn't. I think in the early days Eon was the victim of someone else's marketing, and then realized it was easier not to fight it. Like Vichy France.

But I invented the term Steveporn using a Creative Commons License. You are all free to do whatever you want with it.

[Amelia G]

Originally Posted by Gram_Ponante

The way I came to understand it, there was very little that was "alt" about what the current few video practitioners of the genre did, and I thought that Vivid creating a whole label for it was silly. The label seemed unnecessarily restrictive.

But I think that, in the beginning, Eon's attempt to pitch his ideas got so steamrolled and reworked by the marketing departments of the places he worked that he eventually went with the flow and took the credit that was being forced on him by a minority of video porn companies.

I'm sure he did not say "I invented altporn" but, in looking for a hook, the people responsible for marketing deliberately overlooked all the alt on the web as well as all the alt that came before Eon.

And I was that way, too. All I knew at the time was ******* *****. It was only later when I started looking at domain registration dates that I realized that there was way more to alt - whatever it was - than whatever VCA or Vivid said there was, and indeed what any of the video-based altporn kids were laying claim to.

I used the term Steveporn only to say that whatever alt was, Eon and his crowd weren't doing it, or weren't doing it exclusively. Ron Royster was different from Eon, Eon was different from Octavio, and Octavio was different from Vena Virago. Rob Rotten was different from them all.

I'm trying to figure out where the serene DAC comes in to all of this. Does he do Steveporn too? Might as well; it's not alt.

I think if you invented the term altporn or you were one of its early adopters, you should keep it. And if Eon does an altporn movie he should say, "this is in the altporn genre" or say "this is a movie about my cat" if it isn't. I think in the early days Eon was the victim of someone else's marketing, and then realized it was easier not to fight it. Like Vichy France.

But I invented the term Steveporn using a Creative Commons License. You are all free to do whatever you want with it.

I make counterculture erotica. I'm not a huge fan of the word altporn. Which is perhaps part of why I am so very entertained by your coining of the word steveporn.

Being out of the DC scene where people wouldn't be inclined to use someone else's name like that, I won't profane Dischord with that rip-off, coattail-grabbing, train-jumping nom de porn. But I'm not about to out his proper name either, so I'll use initials. RH did one of the pettiest and nastiest things to me that anyone ever in any place at any time has ever done to me. As far as I can tell, he is one of those emo guys who sucks up to everyone and then hates them for his complicit participation in his own oppression but lacks the balls to address any issue he has directly.

I have zero sympathy for people who sell everything they have and then whine that their corporate masters wouldn't let them do whatever they felt like with someone else's wallet.

But I'll still give him credit for any input he may have had in developing the term altporn if not the genre. I in fact gave him and SS credit for it in an interview I did a few months ago actually.

Whether or not I personally love the word, AltPorn.net ran a timeline a while back which is helpful in the general genre I think, although it looks like it is just for web interests and not video unless they have a web site.

[Morning Glory]

Originally Posted by Amelia G

Whether or not I personally love the word, AltPorn.net ran a timeline a while back which is helpful in the general genre I think, although it looks like it is just for web interests and not video unless they have a web site.

so let me get this straight, if i'm not mistakten, the truth of the matter is.... you invented the internet?

That's what this whole thing really comes down to. we can see that "steveporn" was a clever play on "alt-porn" which was just a misnomer of "al-gore."

[Amelia G]

Originally Posted by Morning Glory

so let me get this straight, if i'm not mistakten, the truth of the matter is.... you invented the internet?

That's what this whole thing really comes down to. we can see that "steveporn" was a clever play on "alt-porn" which was just a misnomer of "al-gore."

No, in order to exaggerate my contribution to the same level as various johnny-come-latelies, I'm going to have to admit that I invented electricity.

[Bondage Clown]

Originally Posted by Amelia G

No, in order to exaggerate my contribution to the same level as various johnny-come-latelies, I'm going to have to admit that I invented electricity.

Damn it.. All this time.. So Forrest invented gravity then.. That is why you too work well together.

[One Eyed Cat]

Originally Posted by Amelia G

I make counterculture erotica. I'm not a huge fan of the word altporn. Which is perhaps part of why I am so very entertained by your coining of the word steveporn.

Being out of the DC scene where people wouldn't be inclined to use someone else's name like that, I won't profane Dischord with that rip-off, coattail-grabbing, train-jumping nom de porn. But I'm not about to out his proper name either, so I'll use initials. RH did one of the pettiest and nastiest things to me that anyone ever in any place at any time has ever done to me. As far as I can tell, he is one of those emo guys who sucks up to everyone and then hates them for his complicit participation in his own oppression but lacks the balls to address any issue he has directly.

I have zero sympathy for people who sell everything they have and then whine that their corporate masters wouldn't let them do whatever they felt like with someone else's wallet.

But I'll still give him credit for any input he may have had in developing the term altporn if not the genre. I in fact gave him and SS credit for it in an interview I did a few months ago actually.

Whether or not I personally love the word, AltPorn.net ran a timeline a while back which is helpful in the general genre I think, although it looks like it is just for web interests and not video unless they have a web site.

This is the chart the stooge on lj I mentioned referenced! He disproved his entire rant based on this timeline. I deleted him and the entire group, but it is kind of funny in retrospect. It was like quoting Roe v. Wade positively to oppose reproductive rights.

OEC