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3 generations of family found dead in Calif. home

By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer Tue May 27, 10:28 PM ET

SAN CLEMENTE, Calif. - The decomposed bodies found last weekend in an oceanside home were identified Tuesday as an engineer who testified at trials about accident reconstruction and four of his relatives.

Manas Ucar, 58, and his wife Margrit, 48, immigrated from Turkey years ago, and their twin 21-year-old daughters, Margo and Grace, had just completed bachelor degrees in biology.

The fifth victim, the family's maternal grandmother, 72-year-old Fransuhi Kesisoglu was a legal resident, said Lt. Erin Giudice, spokeswoman for the Orange County sheriff.

Deputies had visited the home overlooking the Pacific twice in the past two weeks, prompted by calls from a concerned neighbor and worried relatives. But deputies found nothing suspicious, and the callers conceded the family may have taken a vacation.

On Sunday, two brothers forced their way into the house, only to discover the bodies.

Giudice said neither homicide nor suicide had been ruled out, but she stressed that the community was not in danger and no suspects were being sought. Autopsies are not yet complete and toxicology results could take up to eight weeks, she said.

Manas and Margrit Ucar were found in a downstairs closet, with two handguns near the bodies. One of the handguns was registered to Margrit Ucar and both husband and wife were shot, Giudice said. The daughters and grandmother were found in the attached bedroom and the twins were in the bed, she said.

Their bodies were too decomposed to identify any gunshot wounds, Giudice said.

Because the house was built into a cliff, the bedroom suite where the bodies were found was below ground level, shielded from view and well-insulated, Giudice said.

"Everything was closed up," she said. "The family and the neighborhood thought they were on vacation."

Margo and Grace Ucar both finished work toward bachelor degrees in biology at the University of California, San Diego, this past winter, said Pat Jacoby, a spokeswoman for the university.

Manas Ucar came to the United States in the 1970s and was on the Syracuse University faculty about five years, said Eugene Drucker, a retired Syracuse professor who supervised Manas Ucar's doctoral dissertation in mechanical engineering.

Ucar's wife, Margrit, also immigrated from Turkey and received her U.S. citizenship in 1987 while in Syracuse, according to an article in the newspaper The Post-Standard.

Manas Ucar became a consulting engineer after leaving the university, then moved to California in the mid-1990s, Drucker said. The Web site law.com lists Ucar as an expert on accident reconstruction, specializing in fires, explosions and seat belt use.

The family's home is in Sea Pointe Estates, a small, gated community in San Clemente, about 65 miles southeast of Los Angeles at the southern edge of Orange County.

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Associated Press Writer William Kates in Syracuse, N.Y., contributed to this report.

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Of course they're not - everyone, including the relatives, assumed the family were on vacation so there were no reasonable grounds to break into their property. I understand the distress, but I'd not want to see a state where police could smash through your front door just because a neighbor couldn't quite remember if you went to Disneyland or not! Bodies in closed-loop scenes regularly take days or weeks to discover, as it's usually the odor which prompts action. In an apartment you're going to be found in a week, but in a gated rural community it could take months. It's a natural fact of life, and not something to apportion blame over, unless you'd prefer a country where you had to register with the police before driving over to your Mom's house for the weekend.

Tough call. Neighbors and relatives did express concern to the police, but it would suck if a few worry-worts could make it so the police busted open people's doors at random.