1984 and today.........

ok,so i think i had to read it in high school,but i'll be damned if i could remember any of that mess...

anywho,i was talking to a friend over a very lovely bowl/Guiness,and he starts talking about how 1984 is "sooooo right on in our future"or somthing slurred out like that...

so i hunted down a free online version(the book's like $3bucks,i'm broke, i know) as he got me intersted in it again....


so even though it's probally like talking about Hatchet to a professor.....

what are your thoughts on it(the book) and how it seems to be such a clear foreshadowing of our future..........



Drunkenly pondering,

K.K...............

Brrr?

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Originally Posted by BrightStar

Brrr?

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But Florida isn't cold,wha....wha....whhaaat?........

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But Florida isn't cold,wha....wha....whhaaat?........

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Brrr?= Huh?= What?

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Originally Posted by BrightStar

Brrr?= Huh?= What?

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1984 it's a book,by George Orwell...

alot of people read it in high school(probally not today though,i'd bet it's "too contraversial" now,even though it's a rather new book)....

my Bud(pun intended) was talking about it.....



i inquired here.......

Every generation feels they are in "1984"...it has that effect since it's universal yet futuristic. It's now read more in college along with A Clockwork Orange.

It was banned in many communist countries though...and really the book can be used not only a political commentary but power itself...truth is "Big Brother" these days is not so much the government as it is every day institutions...everyone fears the government having say a database of all their citizens yet MANY companies have such databases and if you look on Livejournal or any blog site people GIVE away what they fear the government will secretly aquire.

If anything 1984 almost seems quaint to the insane shit computing has brought on.

I enjoyed it when I read it many years ago. And I'm sure it would still hold the same feeling if I read in now.

well, to be honest i think that our society mirrors 'brave new world' more, particularly if you replace the hypnopedic sayings with advertising slogans. for anyone who hasn't read it click this 'un

which leads to the question...

which is your favourite futuristic hell/heaven/blah?

I think it would be awesome if the Future was like WarHammer 40,000. That would be awesome! If thats what you meant about the future type kind of question.

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I think it would be awesome if the Future was like WarHammer 40,000. That would be awesome! If thats what you meant about the future type kind of question.

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you realy need to read this book brightsar, back to the question, ever since i first read the book i thought alot more a bout the so called big brother and was a bit paranoid for a while when i did start to pay attention to surveilance cameras evrywhere i went , from school to the corner store, we even had one in my house cause we have an alley in the back and its constantly getting vandalized.

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you realy need to read this book brightsar, back to the question, ever since i first read the book i thought alot more a bout the so called big brother and was a bit paranoid for a while when i did start to pay attention to surveilance cameras evrywhere i went , from school to the corner store, we even had one in my house cause we have an alley in the back and its constantly getting vandalized.

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I know about some of the book, though I never read the entire book.

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read it! and lots more! now!

I havent read 1984 in forever but i did recently read Farenheight 451 and that book seems dead on acuurate about the futere in a lot of ways

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I think it would be awesome if the Future was like WarHammer 40,000. That would be awesome! If thats what you meant about the future type kind of question.

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No it wouldn't...it's a fun mythology but given that its in constant brutal warfare I don't see how that's "awesome".

never reead 1984 but I can also see how things today are very eerily reminiscent to anthony burgess' a clockwork orange (not that hackjob film kubrick did but tha actual book) Once you get past all the nadsat, its pretty damn hea don to what the worlds like nowadays save for the fortnight brainwashing cures.

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well, to be honest i think that our society mirrors 'brave new world' more, particularly if you replace the hypnopedic sayings with advertising slogans. for anyone who hasn't read it click this 'un

which leads to the question...

which is your favourite futuristic hell/heaven/blah?

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I would be a cenobite......"we have such pretty things to show you......."
except for the fact that the actual barker cenobites spoke as a whole rather than separate entities. that would suck.

I haven't read the book in forever, so I may be a bit off base. Every time someone tells me it is 1984 now I just have to say, I recall there being lots of drugs in the book, free drugs. There are few enough drugs in my house and the ones that are there cost quite a bit. If 1984 is now I at least want my drugs.

Hey, if Orwell wrote 1984 today, it would probably be called 2257 ;) .


If you folks haven't seen the Christian Bale flick 'Equilibrium' yet, then you're really missing out on an Orwellian treat and a half...go see!

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I think it would be awesome if the Future was like WarHammer 40,000. That would be awesome! If thats what you meant about the future type kind of question.

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Gahh that would suck! no race aside in that world has it good, I mean come on we get so advanced technologicly that we *forget* everything, like how to fucking build a car.

Fun game aside, it would blow to live in a world like that.
I do agree that teh trends of society seem to be moving in a fashion more like farenheight 451

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Hey, if Orwell wrote 1984 today, it would probably be called 2257 ;) .


If you folks haven't seen the Christian Bale flick 'Equilibrium' yet, then you're really missing out on an Orwellian treat and a half...go see!

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Yeah that was a very good film...not the greatest but way better than the matrix sequals and other sci-fi in recent years.

Has a bit of a cult following now.

that movie sucked. it was a total rip off of the matrix. everything about it was ripped off from something else. and I know that relatively speaking everything borrows from something else, but that movie was a frame by frame cliche.

although about those sinister future stories I think I liked bradbury's farenheight 151 best. It just seemed the most relialistic. in the other one's big brother goes through all these complex things to control every aspect of people's lives and the people are all brainwashed and hynotized into believing it... in braduburys book they really don't do anything at all to control people. they just tell them what to do and everyone listens and does it because they are lazy and self-ignorant. everyone knows that everything is fucked up, it's not a secret agenda, they just don't care.

the matrix was a rip off of terminator and jonny neumonic which were ripoffs of a book.

you got a point there. but I was refering to the slow mo bullet time special fx. which at one time was innovative, and sadly now is the action staple which has been spoofed and ripped off so many times that it's useless anymore.

true. I saw a damn allergy commercial wiht it in there. it's not that hard to do bullet time though. all you need is the money to get the cameras and a good computer rendering program oh! and a blue or green backdrop. plus you have to take a panoramic shot of your background in the directions the cameras will flash. piece of cake. lol
they used a similar thing in slc punk too.

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you got a point there. but I was refering to the slow mo bullet time special fx. which at one time was innovative, and sadly now is the action staple which has been spoofed and ripped off so many times that it's useless anymore.

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That never really started with The Matrix though it is credited with it...sadly. Slo Mo, "Bullet Time", and the entire film was lifted from Anime, Manga, HK action flicks, and if you buy into the controversy STILL raging...the "creators" of The Matrix stole the very idea from another writer quite a while ago.

Equilibrium was never meant to be original in the sense of say something like 2001 or even Star Wars...it was really almost a B-Movie that got some extra love. What it did so beautifully was take the "cliches" of the genre and mix it with a heavy hand of 1984 and European Sci-Fi comix...the Martial Arts of Guns idea was pretty fun and to be honest it's a film that is still more entertaining than what The Matrix became or what other sci-fi films of it's timeline have done.

Bullet Time always had the flaw in that 3D animators already had that to use but doing it "In real life" was always near impossible till the technique came about that to be honest seems so heavy handed one can see why no one else wanted to try it before...did it look cool? That it did...but most of the slo-mo in The Matrix was already done in Sam Pekinpah and John Woo movies. The Matrix just used it in some great angles that again...were totally lost in the sequals and in the last film not even there.

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true. I saw a damn allergy commercial wiht it in there. it's not that hard to do bullet time though. all you need is the money to get the cameras and a good computer rendering program oh! and a blue or green backdrop. plus you have to take a panoramic shot of your background in the directions the cameras will flash. piece of cake. lol
they used a similar thing in slc punk too.

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It's even easier now...

SLC Punk...now THAT movie sucked. Yeah Yeah I know many here loved it but it was an annoying peice of trash.

But then again I want to see Salt Lake City nuked off the fucking planet so that MAY have clouded my judgement on the film...maybe.