What do you think about real life women who have gone down the vampire's path i.e. people like Elizabeth Bathory?
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What do you think about real life women who have gone down the vampire's path i.e. people like Elizabeth Bathory?
Elizabeth Bathory is one of my favourite historical figures.
I don't like black metal, but cradle of filth made an entire album devoted to her, which I bought and ravenously listened to til I knew all the words.
13 Autumns and a Widow is my favorite song on it...
Thirteen Autumns And A Widow (Red October mix)
Spawned wanton like blight on an auspicious night
Her eyes betrayed spells of the moon's eerie light
A disquieting gaze forever ghosting far seas
Bled white and dead, Her true mother was fed
To the ravenous wolves that the elements led
From crag-jagged mountains that seemingly grew in unease
Through the maw of the woods, a black carriage was drawn
Flanked by barbed lightning that hissed of the storm
(Gilded in crests of Carpathian breed)
Bringing slaves to the sodomite for the new-born
On that eve when the Countess' own came deformed
A tragedy crept to the name Bathory
Elizabeth christened, no paler a rose
Grew so dark as this sylph
None more cold in repose
Yet Her beauty spun webs
Round hearts a glance would betroth
She feared the light
So when She fell like a sinner to vice
Under austere, puritanical rule
She sacrificed...
Mandragora like virgins to rats in the wall
But after whipangels licked prisoners, thralled
Never were Her dreams so maniacally cruel
(And possessed of such delights)
For ravens winged Her nightly flights
Of erotica
Half spurned from the pulpit
Torments to occur
Half learnt from the cabal of demons
In Her
Her walk went to voodoo
To see Her own shadow adored
At mass without flaw
Though inwards She abhored
Not Her coven of suitors
But the stare of their Lord
"I must avert mine eyes to hymns
For His gaze brings dogmas to my skin
He knows that I dreamt of carnal rites
With Him undead for three long nights"
Elizabeth listened
No sermons intoned
Dragged such guilt to Her door
Tombed Her soul with such stone
For She swore the Priest sighed
When She knelt down to atone...
She feared the light
So when She fell
Like a sinner to vice
Under austere, puritanical rule
She sacrificed
Her decorum as chaste
To this wolf of the cloth
Pouncing to haunt
Her confessional box
Forgiveness would come
When Her sins were washed off
By rebaptism in white....
The looking glass cast Belladonna wreaths
'Pon the grave of Her innocence
Her hidden face spat murder
From a whisper to a scream
All sleep seemed cursed
In Faustian verse
But there in orgiastic Hell
No horrors were worse
Than the mirrored revelation
The She kissed the Devil's phallus
By Her own decree...
So with windows flung wide to the menstrual sky
Solstice Eve She fled the castle in secret
A daughter of the storm, astride Her favourite nightmare
On winds without prayer
Stigmata still wept between Her legs
A cold bloodedness which impressed new hatreds
She sought the Sorceress
Through the snow and dank woods to the sodomite's lair
Nine twisted fates threw hewn bone die
For the throat of Elizabeth
Damnation won and urged the moon
In soliloquy to gleam
Twixt the trees in shafts
To ghost a path
Past the howl of buggered nymphs
In the sodomite's grasp
To the forest's vulva
Where the witch scholared Her
In even darker themes
"Amongst philtres and melissas
Midst the grease of strangled men
And eldritch truths, elder ill-omen
Elizabeth came to life again"
And under lacerations of dawn She returned
Like a flame unto a deathshead
With a promise to burn
Secrets brooded as She rode
Through mist and marsh to where they showed
Her castle walls wherein the restless
Counted carrion crows
She awoke from a fable to mourning
Church bells wringing Her madly from sleep
Tolled by a priest, self castrated and hung
Like a crimson bat 'neath the belfry
The biblical prattled their mantras
Hexes six-tripled their fees
But Elizabeth laughed, thirteen Autumns had passed
And She was a widow from god and His wrath, finally...
(It's the lyrics that I love- beautifully written! *sigh*)
Ah, it's called "cruelty and the beast"! How did I forget that?! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Chaotika
Here is the cover :)
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Like I said in the other link....I am a fan of hers. Not because of what she did (because it was sick) but because of the balls and the insanity it took to come up with that idea. It worked too, but no one saw her really much up until her death. She kept hidden away in her castle. As a historical figure, she ranks up there with..like I said..La Voisin, Jack the Ripper, Rasputin, (All the McFarlane's six faces of maddness, basically).
I study insanity and serial killers and mental disorders and all that, so that is what makes her fascinating...to have gotten into her mind to see how she rationalized all of it...amazing.
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I wish there were more of them :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by AmeliaG
i find them insanely fascinating.... i love reading up on that kind of stuff, tho i think it spooks my roommate a little....meh, she's used to me by now :D
me too , the world would be a lot more interesting :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilbink
Actually, I believe Ingid Pitt (who famously played Bathory in Hammer's 'Countess Dracula') wrote in one of her books that the whole 'Vampire' thing was just an excuse to relieve her of her land. Ms. Pitt's reasoning was that 'where are you going to find so many virgins in a town that size with nothing to do and nowhere to go on a hot summer's night but the local hayrick? :D '
i know a young woman who won't drink your blood, but spend half an hour in a room with her and she'll suck all of the energy out of you. it's bizarre; almost enough to make you believe in the supernatural.
"If, after having been exposed to someone's presence, you feel as if you've lost a quart of plasma; avoid that presence. You need it like you need pernicious anemia. Don't like to hear the word vampire around here... tryin' to improve our public image." - William S Burroughs
There's a cool book called "The Blood Countess" by Andrei Codrescu. It's about an American descendent of hers going back to where she lived and exploring Bathory's history, and it's intercut with a fictionalized account of her life.
The second time reading it, I skipped the parts about the American, and just read the parts about Elizabeth Bathory, and liked it more (call me shallow).
By the way, I posted about the article about her in that magazine you don't like just because I thought it was cool. I don't know anyone from the magazine, and I usually only promote my own kink events. I'm sorry they owe you a lot of money or whatever, but don't put that on me. I just liked the article.
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Originally Posted by sheramil
aye, this is called Psi-Vampirism, where instead of taking of blood from a partner, their energy is taken from them directly. Ive yet to meet any that go just by this method, but have met a few online that have claimed that this is how they do it only. As for a female vampire, I only wish more would "come out of the coffin" and be prouder of who and what Vampires are. but that goes for both Male and Females of Our lifestyle. Too many afe afraid of ridicule being as they are, and feel that they would be ridiculed outside their own covens. I know I couldnt care what someone else thinks of what I do and whom I may do it with for this and other interest I have.
As wonderful as the fantasy of vampires is, some how I think if some one really tortured virgins to death with hot pokers and iron maidens for the purpose of bathing in their blood, I think it would be kinda icky and definitly worthy of the straight jacket/ padded room vacation special.
Somehow even in the fantay stories female vampires are portrayed as nuts.
I think that female vampires could be just as sexy as the guys. I don't find them as sexy for several reasons. Not the least of which being the chick on a power trip syndrome that is a total turn off. It seems that the ladies gifted with a Kiss lose the art of subtle manipulation and become all out power hogs.
Psi-Vamps are an awesome phenomenea. If only they could be studied wiht out the side effects!
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Originally Posted by sheramil
yep Uncle Bill's got it right on that account... heh... of course the best defense is a ruthless offense, when people want to be parasitic a good purgative can be quite effectateous...
...as for Bathory, I hadn't heard that these were trumped up charges, but I wouldn't discount it considering what they did to Gilles de Rais... and a woman ruling her own kingdom, and not taking any shit by all accounts? forget it, no wonder they went after her.
btw the real life Vlad Tsepesch Dracula is way more fascinating than that awful dreck stoker wrote... man probably singlehandedly prevented the Turks from invading Hungry, and thereby overrunning western europe...
ah well, just sitting here whistlin', and a whittlin' me a pile of stakes...
Well I really am a vampire, and that is all there is to it... In every way, a VAMP!! I really do consume people and take their youth and life essence and then move on, having taken that life force.... Heh! Heh! Heh!
I mean, I do it without the blood and fangs and hot pokers and all that.
But I am definitely a vampire. The real thing... I do it to both men and women. I take their souls. I swear, I feed upon their souls. I use their life energy.
It is also called a "femme fatale" same thing sort of...
Those vamps in Bram Stoker's Dracula made me envy Keaunu Reeves (for once).
SNL celebraty jeapardy parody...
keanu reeves actor "i know kung fu"
alex trebeck actor "for the last time, no, you dont."
i think keanu would be hott as a vampire... but... as long as he tried to be a smart one. the bill and ted movies totally fuckin typecast him as a moron. it was sad...
i'm not familiar with Elizabeth Bathory, so no comment on her.
however i do find modern "vampires" pathetic. nothing more than people try to find something to identify with.
i do find find models dressing up, movies about, or people who only bring aspects from time to time into their life rather neat. it's the people who pretend to be, and live by it daily that bother me.
the other term for a psi vamp is pranic. and yeh. elizabeth bathory was an intersting character but ther eis a word for it nowadays-murder. and murdering an innocent person for the purpose of bathing in their blood is not cool.
i honetsly feel (my opinion obviously varies from others) that vampirism can be an interesting experience in ones life but there are sanguanarians even now that dont believe in crossing the line of consenting donors to going out and killing for blood.
i'd say to any vamps in training or currents out there to keep it safe. sane and consensual at all times.
yeah it kind of strikes me as odd about how such really mundane figures get glamorized by pop culture. I use the term mundane because these people really weren't that different from many others that didn't gain such noteriety. It seem that the only appeal of vlad dracula is through bram stokers novel. first off all though the idea of the vampire is old, it was never considered anymore sophistcated or charming then any other ghoul. along that same lines dracula was never associated with vampirism until the novel. likewise the novel itself has nothing to do with the real life dracula, (it actually has very little to do with vampirism either, read between the lines.) bram stoker probibly just took the name because he thought it was interesting and amusing that there were some similiarities between the historic count and his own.
He could have easily just switched roles and based it on christian knights that consumed flesh and blood during the crusades. or any number of other people throughout history.
yes I know, what does this have to do with real life female vampires? simple: there are no real life female vampires. it's just people in modern times that like to fabricate an exciting fantasy around historic events that really doesn't hold up to what actually happened. dan brown does the same thing, only he uses quasi-secret societies instead.
For me, the appeal of vampires has always been that their monstrosity is of a sexual nature; they are sexual monsters. You don't know if the vampires want to seduce you. . . or eat you. . . or both. That appeals to me far more than zombies or some of the other supernatural myths.
I think there have been myths of seductive vampires before Bram Stoker, but not all of them were. They have varied from the shambling, mindless undead to attractive, sophisticated creatures with the power of sexual mesmerism. I liked the way Anne Rice tried to encompass several of those types into her vampire cosmology in her novels.