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Here's an even better question:
What constitutes a lie?
People are also notorious for "not mentioning" things.
So they still claim they never lie.
I consider a lie to be omission of the truth.
You don't have to be asked a specific question, and lie, to be a dishonest person.
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sure lyings alright, as long as you tell the truth
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i generally only lie to bill collectors and cops/government officials, and i consider that to be ok, because, well fuck those people.
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I'm gonna agree 100% with everything you have to say here.
It is also okay to lie on a mattress, pillows, on a kitty or puppy and sometimes on the floor or the couch or your Significant Other.
S
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dude, it's never okay to lie, unless we're talking about bill collectors, or creepy people at the bar................ some lies are for my own protection... other than that I'm pretty much an open book..........
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Or when its really, really funny.
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I lie to people because.. (usually*)
1. If i do tell the truth, theyll go apeshit about it completely misunderstanding
2. To avoid unnecessary conflict, i dont care who you are, im not down with drama
3. Even though im an asshole, i sometimes consider others feelings, and dont want yours being hurt for whatever reason
or
4. Well, your just stupid, i can take advantage of you easily for my benefit.
and like velvet said, when its really funny, which usually is :)
but those reasons are only in certain situations, like with things that dont matter. When it comes to important stuff that actually does matter then ill be truthful, scouts honor.
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...does lying on a job application count? cause otherwise i think i just broke all the rules.
S
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lying sounds like a lot of work
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I don't feel bad for lying in an effort to stall the truth. ie. "Nothing's wrong", when I really mean that I want to think about what I'm going to say before I say something I don't mean. That's a lie, but I've gotten myself in trouble many a time for lashing out at boyfriends.
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I totally lied on my first hospital-job application.
I think its ok to lie if someone asks you " how are you and so and so doing?" (oh were fine!) if you dont feel like talking about your relationship. Or if someone gave you a crappy gift, its ok to lie and say you like it. Its ok to lie if it is for the sake of being polite.
A lot of models lie about their height, weight, measurments, etc. That bugs me. I see a lot of girls I KNOW are thicker/shorter than me who have their measurments listed smaller/as tall as me, it bugs me.
If someone you love lies to you, it totally shows that they suck. All lies come out eventually.
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Here's a good example of the kind of "not-mentioning" thing:
Let's say someone is in a relationship.
But they hook up with someone else.
But it's a one time thing, in some other city, and it was safe sex, and they feel like their partner will never know, so there is no need to hurt them...
So they "don't mention" the fling to their partner.
But because their partner has no clue, and never asks if they cheated, that person feels like they never lied to their partner. They just failed to mention something that would be important to their partner.
Now if their partner actually asked them if they ever cheated, and they say no, then they consider it a lie. But I have run into a lot of people with that kind of attitude about lying. That's why I think it is really important that you define to people what you consider honesty. Honesty is different from not lying. Honesty means you need to openly share anything your partner would care about. You don't have to tell them every time you check someone out. But you need to define what things they would want to know about...
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Originally Posted by kellie
A lot of models lie about their height, weight, measurments, etc. That bugs me. I see a lot of girls I KNOW are thicker/shorter than me who have their measurments listed smaller/as tall as me, it bugs me..
That makes it so difficult..
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...other than that I'm pretty much an open book..........
Ah but you're not - nobody is. Some of us have more stuff in our 'public folder' than others, but depending on who you're talking to there's always more you want to hide than admit. I have no doubt if a stranger on here asked you about your ink or where you got your hair dye, you'd be happy to explain. If they asked you for your address and SSN you'd scamper screaming into a tree. It's why games of 20 questions only happen when you're pissed to the eyeballs and therapy sessions can be such a challenge.
The way I see it, a lie being 'right' or 'wrong' doesn't have anything to do with the content, it's all about the consequences. You're all saying that lying to a stranger on the phone or telling someone "you look good" when you're really thinking they need another shot of Botox is 'ok' because there are no obvious negative consequences. You don't get hassled about insurance, the call center doesn't give a crap about one less sale.. so the world carries on unharmed.
If the lie could impact on you or people you know, then most of us would say it becomes 'wrong' after a certain level of trouble. Everyone lies to their partners when they answer "Hi honey.. y'ok?" with "fine" even though they've had a crappy day. Fewer risk a lie where they can see personal or financial risk is attached, or where the consequences can't be predicted at all. The whole resume thing is a classic example - the majority of people 'enhance' their history but only in ways that can't be checked. You say you had more time using computers than you really did, but you don't pretend you did your computing at MIT.
Lying is part of human nature - we're manipulative by design and if we weren't, then there'd be no crime, politics or commerce. People who say they never lie, just did.
mG
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I like the metric I heard somewhere that lying is "knowing telling a falsehood to someone who deserves to hear the truth."
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Lying? Part of my job. You have to always be agreeing with the customer.
Now in my personal life, I try not to lie. But shit happens, and you have to lie. Big fuckin' deal.
And to define a lie: Something you know to be false or untrue at the time of saying.
If you believe something to be completely and honestly true without a doubt in your mind it is. Then you're telling the truth. But if you even have the slightest doubt as to what you're about to say, you should probably make sure its true before you say it...
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Originally Posted by TheQuietPlace
Lying? Part of my job. You have to always be agreeing with the customer.
Is that like when politicians talk to voters?
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Lying is a tool, you need to read the instructions and be well versed in the propper usage of it before you try using it. It reads a bit like the Bible, but if your patient and read it through a few times, you'll be gliding through life without your loved ones hating you and everyone else leaving you alone.
Do I lie? absolutely, but much like my drinking, only in moderation, and only in public. LOL
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is there a difference between lying, and "bullshiting"?
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Is that like when politicians talk to voters?
I'm not a politician nor am I into politics so I wouldn't know :)