Yeah, it actually only pissed me off. My mom's parents are from Kilkenny (sp?) and my dad was born in Dublin. So the only times I've even remotely been in Ireland I couldn't go anywhere or even have a drink.
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Yeah, it actually only pissed me off. My mom's parents are from Kilkenny (sp?) and my dad was born in Dublin. So the only times I've even remotely been in Ireland I couldn't go anywhere or even have a drink.
O.K. Allah....My point is if you...Meaning you, Allah, are a non-smoker, it's pretty much a given that you'd be all for a smoking ban. So....You don't have to announce it, because we already know.Quote:
Originally Posted by allah
I smoke because I like to smoke, and because it helps me to relax when in a stressful situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by allah
Most the people I know drink because they get to act like fucktards and have the excuse of "Oh, but I was drunk, so it's ok"
So, tax both of them, I don't give a shit. I will just start ordering my cigarettes from Russia and give all the taxes here on cigarettes a big "FUCK YOU".
He's saying you are being Mr. Obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by allah
It'd be like asking die hard Republicans if they like liberals. Fuck no they don't, they just like having someone to bitch about.
Exactly our point:Quote:
Originally Posted by allah
As Ajax said: "Meaning you, Allah, are a non-smoker, it's pretty much a given that you'd be all for a smoking ban. So....You don't have to announce it, because we already know."
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Originally Posted by allah
***Nobody seems to have mentioned that the purpose of smoking bans is not only to keep second hand smoke out of non-smoker's hair, clothes and lungs but also to make smoking less of option for potential smokers***
It will not stop potential smokers because potential smokers are teenagers and young adults. They are the one's with the most dispensible cash. They have very little bills, if any, so they can blow any money they get, anyway they want. Most of them wouldn't think twice on having to spend more money to buy cigarettes.
I just wish it was legal to have smokers only clubs, I really miss the smell of cigarettes when I go to the bar's.........now all I smell is the people, and let's face it, a few hundred drinking people in a dance club really doesn't smell all that great.
It is. It's called a private club. If you charge for a membership fee, you can do whatever you want. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Karl
This is why the anti smoking groups are not making more progress and to be honest as an ex smoker I would expect you to no better.Quote:
Originally Posted by allah
Tobacco contains a powerful mood altering drug. Many people have used cigarettes as a form of self medication. Many more just like the cheap, quick high that has very little impairing effect (during the high, as opposed to alcohol that slows your response time.)
I have a similar theory about drugs. People get these wacky ideas about why people like to be intoxicated and they decide that trying to get smoking, drugs or drinking out of music videos and movies or just outright bans will have more effect than addressing the real reasons people get high and giving them reasonable outlets.
I mean, let's be honest, you are going to be hard pressed to find me many people who sniff glue and spray paint to be cool.
I was actually responding to the idea that taking away the cool factor would stop or even really slow down smoking or drug use.Quote:
Originally Posted by allah
My rant on where people should be allowed to is much longer since we went from the asshole smokers setting the rules (I can smoke anywhere I like, even your house) to asshole non-smokers setting the rules (you can't smoke anywhere except your own home, and only if you live alone, and your neighbors don't mind.)
I always get ranty when people can't come to a compromise on stuff though.
Yeah...Sorry about that. I misread what you wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by allah
I just moved into a new apartment and on the lease they made me sign a form saying that I had to go outside to smoke because I couldn't in the apartment. How is that for some bullshit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cafe_Post_Mortem
On a lease it is less bullshit than a law imho of course. It is like not allowing pets or children.
If you are a half a pack a day smoker, or a moderate pipe or cigar smoker you won't do much damage, but I have seen what a serious chain smoker can do to a place in a few short months. It sucks, but it is not the same level of bullshit as mandating that, in the condo you own and probably paid a lot of money for you are no longer allowed to smoke.
Of course, depending on the layout of the building, the lease may have just prohibited you from smoking anywhere at home.
Of course, I also have problems with what a number of landlords and employers can prohibit people from doing, and HOEs. When you can blackmail someone with their lively hood or severly restricting where they can live, it curtails more freedoms than any law ever could.
not hereQuote:
Originally Posted by athenahollow
i hate when people blow smoke in my face but i also hate being told what to do. i need to research how important smoking is to the economy.
I think you SHOULD be able to walk down the street drunk. As long as you aren't hurting anyone but yourself, there should be no problems whatsoever. (Then again, I think every unsuccessful suicide should be given a gun and a chance to finish the job, because fuck it, you are obviously going to try it again, and might as well get it out of the right now and save everyone the hassle of getting upset about it again in 3 months when you fail again.)Quote:
Originally Posted by allah
And as far as "pretty hardcore" drink things go, I don't know a single person who only smokes on the weekends. So, obviously you can't compare a smokers lung capacity to a social, weekend drunk's liver deprecation.
That's like complaining because you aren't losing weight when you are exercising 15 hours every weekend, but your neighbor exercises 3 hours a day, every day.
Most people start smoking before they are even of legal age to go into the bar. People are always going to smoke, banning it would be like another prohibition. It wouldn't work. I know a lot of people that started for reasons other than the so called "cool factor". Curiousity is a good reason for a lot of people, as with most drugs, including alcohol. I even know people that started because they thought it was a good way to get extra breaks because one place I worked at actually had 15 minute breaks every our for smokers, or to just relieve some of the stress.
No, I was just explaining the comparison of apples and oranges that you jumped to.
Drunks are the leading cause of physical violence and car accidents. But alcohol hasn't been taxed to death, and why not? Because the amount of truly addicted alcoholics are much much less than the people addicted to cigarettes.
It's not about people's health, it's about who they can screw more and will take it. We know that it's addicting, but when I started smoking, it was $2.00/pack. It now costs me $4 in those few short years. That's ridiculous. The government is OBVIOUSLY preying on a population of people who blatantly have an addiction that is harder to kick than most hard substance, illegal drugs.
And as far as the "shouldn't expect to be able to do it all the time" thing, again, I agree. In a closed area with shitty ventilation, I have no problem going outside and smoking. But in Indiana, we have to be 200 YARDS away from a doorway. That would equal out in the middle of the goddamn street for most places around the city. I think as long as I'm not standing directly IN a door way, in an open area like, oh, i don't know THE OUTSIDE, there shouldn't be a problem in any way.
The topic has less to do with how "healthy" can they make people become, and more to do with how much more control can they put upon a group of people, and still have them roll over and take it up the ass.
Which is, again, WHY I will be ordering my cigarettes abroad soon. If I can't smoke in the middle of a dammed park, the least I can do is tell the gov't to fuck themselves on their over-exorbitant, ass-raping taxes.
your calling 4 bucks a pack redicoulus? smokes here are around 10 bucks, and it's pretty well against the law to smoke indoors here too, of course walking down the street with traffic fumes is no problem..............bah it's not even worth complaining, I'll just suck it up and pay the man
It is worth complaining about when you are getting taxed a MINIMUM of 300%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Karl
And fuck paying the man. The tobacco companies will still get my money when I order them from overseas.
Holly shit! 200 feet? Did they just come out with that at the new year like Illinois did last year or is it just the Indy area? Last time I was home (NW Indiana not far from Gary) I could still smoke in the bar or right outside doors.
Technically marion county. They only enforce it half-assed, but when the cops are being dicks, it's like a $75 fine each time (minimum).Quote:
Originally Posted by nathanmbailey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#.C2.A0Indiana
I'm glad I'm from Porter County. If I still lived in Fort Wayne I'd be fucking pissed.
Last prices I knew of from the places Ive been that I can remember per pack.
Phoenix...4.00 avg
Chicago...8.50 avg
St Louis...3.50 avg
Cleveland...5.00 avg
Rapid City, SD...4.25 avg
I think Im gonna go back to rolling my own.
I'd do that if it didn't make such a mess. But I just don't need my kid knee-deep in tobacco shag haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jax
And we used to buy camel filters here (back before they changed their blend and made them suck) at like $3.75 a pack, and take them to our friends in chicago and well... yea... you get the idea hah
Yeah, I worked at a Speedway, and Chesterton, IN is about an hour from Chicago and about an hour from Michigan. It wasn't unusual to see people come in from Illinois and Michigan to buy a few cartons because it was actually cheaper than just buying them there. Granted, that was about 4 years ago before gas prices got gaytarded. Camel's are still around 4 bucks a pack there. I prefer Turkish Golds over the filters myself, but since they don't sell those in Iraq, I'm stuck with filters or lights. Then again, I'm only paying 25 bucks for the carton, which is still too much because they're usually a little stale.
I dunno; personally I'd say smoking's Cool Factor pretty much doubled with the recent bans. I mean, it's a crappy drug if there's ever been one... but sitting in a cafe, smoking comfortably with friends, stangers and staff alike in common knowledge that you're giving out a collective 'fuck you' to government and law enforcement - that for every person they fine, there's five more that'll carry the tar-fume ridden torch and there's jack shit the oppressors can do about it - that's pretty awesome right there. Almost enough that I'd start smoking for the social high; and these people are not otherwise even very good company.Quote:
Originally Posted by allah
Hear, hear. Cigarette holders are the sole other temptation smoking has ever held to me; I've made my girlfriend quite a fancy one with little bones and gems on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by allah
Back in my cute-and-pink days I used to put lollipops in holders like that. That started a short-lived rage in the cyber clubbing scene, too.
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Originally Posted by Jax
well there is always the ones falling asleep with one still burning
http://twistedphysics.typepad.com/co...1/28/shc_2.png
and all those fires that are started by a smoke flinged out of a car blown into some dry grass