alt models and failing at life

what is a sammich?

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Originally Posted by Raza

I don't agree. Individualism, conformity/nonconformity, counterculture - these things are defined by how you make your choices, not whether their conclusions have never been reached or acted upon by anyone else in the world. Being unique isn't the objective of an openminded but critical attitude to the rest of the world - it is merely the likely product.


Have very little in common with what's known of the guy. There's far closer historical approximations.

None really come too close, though. Fact is that you, as somebody who only barely knows me and defines my identity by a few keyword-characteristics in contrast with what you're used to, will always find it easy to compare me to somebody else you have an equally shallow perception of that contains some of the same key elements - but that's about as likely to be accurate as equating two people on a dating site because they've got the same 'describe yourself in three words' line. You're distant from me and the concepts that describe my workings and lose out on detail accordingly; standing two miles away and observing that two specs on the horizon look a lot the same to you isn't really useful.

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You're right, Raza. I don't really know you. You are SOOOOO much different than people I've met. You are such an individual. HAHAHAHAHAHA! You are such an egomaniac, it blows my mind.

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Originally Posted by KessM

im surprised they took me here- im piercingless (well except in my ears and nipples) and have no tattoos (well i do have a mini heart branded on my leg)

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Thats because you're adorable!

what is alternative these days?............. just about everything's been done

That's really the fallacy of invention- future prophecy. Society evolves at the same level as human intelligence. "Everything has been done" because once something is imagined then that concept is legitimized in to reality. People cannot conceive of an idea that was never thought of because it would be paradoxical- If you think of an idea that was never been thought it has just now been thought of.

Since imagination is bound to society aka. the physical and mental capabilities of humanity, it's limited in how far it can extend. For instance if you imagined what the world would be like 500 years in the future it would be a vision based not on societal constructs (because current society will not exist at that point) and in all likelihood it will prove to be mostly inaccurate. History tells us that. But guessing what you could accomplish in five years, that is a more reasonable prediction, because it's built on what you already know.

Anyway, the point is that "alternative" is anything that deviates from the "normal" pattern of mainstream society. Whether anyone does in fact strictly adhere to this at all is up to debate, but the concept itself is a general psychology that is imprinted by society on it's members.

For Euro-American society it would people who practice non-Judeo-Christian world beliefs, sexuality (and history, and psychology...) other than hetero phallucentric domination, non/anti-capitalist economics; to name a few broad examples.

good explanation...................................oh well, lot's of people don't get things they think they're entitled to............world's like that

I enjoyed reading this thread, a lot of disagreements and points to ponder on..
I would like to hear more from the Model/ maybe actor side of this.

A lot of you have said yes.. its hard to be accepted, you may not look the part, and or have been rejected for this and another reason. Did this ever sway your decision to become a model?

Surely, being rejected is a part of the lifestyle? Have any of you gotten used to that? Its not just about being pretty, and or having a good figure. I think ppl want to get to know the brain behind the face.. Or is that strictly confidential?

You are Pasting yourself amongst us, and not only saying that "here we are"
" Look at me!!" You also want to be recognised for things other than your beauty. Perhaps your confidence ooozes sex. Are you Aware of that and its impact?
Did you think that maybe being a sex symbol ( not saying that all would look at it like that) maybe something you may not want to be a part of on the future?

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Originally Posted by allah

Everything has "unifying characteristics" but the depth of a person can be measured by their determination to define things as categorically as their abilities allow. It’s exactly because the word art has unifying characteristics ad infintum that the term is so hopelessly stupid in the first place. If Byzantine architecture is art to me, and TV soap opera is art for you, and if the word art covers both things in their respective conversations equally (which it does), then there is a fatal flaw in that word’s descriptive power. The word art only serves to confuse where there should be no confusion and give the pretence of equality between humans where no equality exists.

The only way to talk meaningfully about the things you like is to do exactly that; explain why you like them. It is that simple!! If you cannot construe why Bosch's paintings are art then Bosch is not art to you; one need not mask their perfectly natural ignorance with cowardly ambiguity. It’s a horrible, pathetic way to give oneself reassurance because its based on the feeling that you should think a certain thing despite the fact that you cannot! This works both ways, so even though I like Bosch, I do not attempt to put my tastes on a pedestal with those of my superiors unless I am able to by fighting tooth and nail, in which case it’s unlikely that they really are my superiors. Bosch is what Bosch is, but it can be more or less art depending on the observer. High art is merely that which is admired by whomever has only enough intelligence to understand it. There is no difference between art and high art; they are the same thing just not for the same person at exactly the same time. You have to keep moving! But nobody should feel ashamed when their instinct tells them that their evaluations of art are less than anyone else’s so long as they’ve exhausted their analytical skills trying to discern why, because we can hardly be blamed for using only the tools at our disposal. In fact this last sentence may be way too forgiving because where there is instinct there is usually room to improve; all it takes is honesty, fortitude and that most holy of faculties, and my pet-favourite: masochism with intent!

The problem of explaining what art is occurs when someone is already able to explain the things they obviously like but are unable to explain the things that their instinct tells them they should like. Their instinct is probably right but they are not ready to call it art until they try a fuck load harder. There are no special rules regarding art. It must come under the same scrutiny as everything else and I’ve found that one of the first benefits of this scrutiny is the realisation that if ever a word needed to be gotten over, it’s this one. To use a colourful analogy: typographic man is, at heart, a destructive being and when his tools are not sharp enough he cannot use them to dig deeper his coffin. It’s like replacing all the letters in the English alphabet, A through to Z, with X. This symbol wouldn’t be enough for intelligent people to communicate with in written code; they’d need more symbols, more consonants, and at some stage HTML. Where gaps in our understanding occur we shouldn’t stuff them with nonsense, we should begin the long hard road to explaining them. For example, imagine if this inane attitude was used in the sciences; we’d never have looked deeper than our skin, never would have stopped to consider our organs, never discovered cells, never discovered our molecular composition and ultimately DNA. Take this as you will, but even if you think that the arts and sciences are subject to different rules (an attitude I think of as largely a cop-out) you have to admire the superior work ethic.

I repeat, the only meaningful way to talk about the things you like is to explain why you like them. When a word becomes so vulgar in its inadequacy, so repugnant and useless so as to describe everything and nothing, I fuck it away. Most of my aggression comes not from the fact that when people usually use the word art they have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about at all, but from its prevalent use by people under pressure to disguise their natural ignorance. It’s like, well as soon as they say “its art” the conversation is supposed to be over. Its not fucking over retards, it hasn’t even begun!! To the best of my knowledge I personally have never used the word art in defence of my tastes, at least not since I’ve become an adult. For example I spend quite a lot of my time making, or trying to make music. I’d never call it art. If asked for an explanation of what we do, I would explain what instruments and techniques we use (this is the most important) and then explain exactly what the lyrics were intended to mean and finally why various juxtapositions are used instead of others. This is the only meaningful way I can talk about the music I’m involved in.

You’ll notice I’ve used the word Art a lot in my argument. That in itself means nothing except how god-awfully stupid this language can be. I shouldn’t have to (except maybe as a term of denigration). And if the word art is kinda dumb then don’t even get me started on the word artist. I reserve an enormous black font full of scorn and hate deep within my stomach for that one...

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Agreed, mostly, and well put. That's only the logical/communication-of-information perspective on the word, though - there's still personal and external psychological manipulation (which isn't as bad as it sounds - we do this all the time whether we try or not, and a lot of our own happiness and social successfulness depends on it) and lingual aesthetic factors that lend the word a lot of impact, and with that rational cause for (arational) use.

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Originally Posted by Ajax

You're right, Raza. I don't really know you. You are SOOOOO much different than people I've met. You are such an individual. HAHAHAHAHAHA! You are such an egomaniac, it blows my mind.

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Humility is not a requisite for correctness. Besides, nothing I said here relies on me being any more complex than anyone else, so the odder thing to me is that you'd actually expect such a shallow impression to be adequate when you should be in a perfectly good position to know that a similarly simplistic description could never usefully describe you. Product of our inherent human ethnocentric tendencies, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Vix

I enjoyed reading this thread, a lot of disagreements and points to ponder on..
I would like to hear more from the Model/ maybe actor side of this.

A lot of you have said yes.. its hard to be accepted, you may not look the part, and or have been rejected for this and another reason. Did this ever sway your decision to become a model?

Surely, being rejected is a part of the lifestyle? Have any of you gotten used to that? Its not just about being pretty, and or having a good figure. I think ppl want to get to know the brain behind the face.. Or is that strictly confidential?

You are Pasting yourself amongst us, and not only saying that "here we are"
" Look at me!!" You also want to be recognised for things other than your beauty. Perhaps your confidence ooozes sex. Are you Aware of that and its impact?
Did you think that maybe being a sex symbol ( not saying that all would look at it like that) maybe something you may not want to be a part of on the future?

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Rejection is part of life, period. Being a model just means I get rejected based on my looks more frequently than I'm rejected for anything else. I am definitely used to being told I'm too short, too fat, too scarred, too pale, not modified enough, too blonde, not commercial enough...everything about me is a reason that someone won't hire me. If you can't accept that level of physical judgment being a minute by minute part of your life, modeling is not for you.

Fewer people than you'd think give a shit about the brain or personality of the model. I really value the fans that do care, but they're definitely the minority. Most people just want an upbeat, flirtatious naked chick to fantasize about, they're not too particular about her favorite band or opinions about religion. I'd love it if I were better known for writing than looking good naked, but at the end of the day I'm paying my bills by doing something I love, so it doesn't bother me too much. :)

I don't know what the future holds, but I am proud of the work I'm doing now. I enjoy being a sex symbol, and hope to become good enough at marketing myself and lucky enough with networking to be a really well established sex symbol. I do not currently see myself changing so drastically that I would want to enter another line of work in the future. I do realize that I can't model forever, but I currently plan to enter content production.

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Originally Posted by Raza

Besides, nothing I said here relies on me being any more complex than anyone else, so the odder thing to me is that you'd actually expect such a shallow impression to be adequate when you should be in a perfectly good position to know that a similarly simplistic description could never usefully describe you. Product of our inherent human ethnocentric tendencies, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Anna Evans

Rejection is part of life, period. Being a model just means I get rejected based on my looks more frequently than I'm rejected for anything else. I am definitely used to being told I'm too short, too fat, too scarred, too pale, not modified enough, too blonde, not commercial enough...everything about me is a reason that someone won't hire me. If you can't accept that level of physical judgment being a minute by minute part of your life, modeling is not for you.
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true. also there are the people who are determined that since you are a model you are stupid and senseless and a whore who just wants the attention.

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Originally Posted by Raza

Agreed, mostly, and well put. That's only the logical/communication-of-information perspective on the word, though - there's still personal and external psychological manipulation (which isn't as bad as it sounds - we do this all the time whether we try or not, and a lot of our own happiness and social successfulness depends on it) and lingual aesthetic factors that lend the word a lot of impact, and with that rational cause for (arational) use.


Humility is not a requisite for correctness. Besides, nothing I said here relies on me being any more complex than anyone else, so the odder thing to me is that you'd actually expect such a shallow impression to be adequate when you should be in a perfectly good position to know that a similarly simplistic description could never usefully describe you. Product of our inherent human ethnocentric tendencies, I suppose.

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Reeeaaallllyyyy? I guess that would answer why in another thread that you simplistically described me as a "bourgeoisie banker", when really you have not one fucking idea what my job as a banker is or if I make alot of money doing it.

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Originally Posted by allah

I notice that she only ever posts when she has a point and when she knows what she’s talking about.

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I don't think that is true for anyone on this board. Or anywhere, for that matter.

But I like VB too. :thumb:

angry thread. honestly, what can you REALLY know unless you meet someone? and what can you be sure about even then? everyone gets gut feelings and judges- that just happens. but it gets ugly sometimes. brush it off :p: always

I've got no idea what this threads really about anymore.........

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Originally Posted by Morning Glory

what is a sammich?

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Bitch don't question me, just go make one.

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Originally Posted by KessM

angry thread. honestly, what can you REALLY know unless you meet someone? and what can you be sure about even then? everyone gets gut feelings and judges- that just happens. but it gets ugly sometimes. brush it off :p: always

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LeilaHazlett opened a thread with an interesting and well thought-out post about a sensitive but kinda important topic.

It got a bit derailed by someone who never has answered the question of whether he seeks to be Blue Blood's only troll or a real member of the community and who is now in limbo until he makes up his mind. Somehow conversations can get kinda ugly whenever he shows up, but they go just fine when he is not around.

Humility rarely goes with being correct. People who are correct in their low estimations of themselves rarely have the capacity for, ya know, insight. People who have some real insight, along with a big bucket of humility, are, at the very least, incorrect about their low estimated of themselves. People who pretend to humility they do not feel are liars.

The dictionary definition of bourgeois is "a person whose political, economic, and social opinions are believed to be determined mainly by concern for property values and conventional respectability" or "A person whose attitudes and behavior are marked by conformity to the standards and conventions of the middle class", so I think it is fair to say that that really really does not apply to Ajax or anyone who would be posting here on purpose. Not exactly the most conventional crowd here in general.

So can we not call people whores or bourgeois here please. Thanks.

I find the deletion of posts to be disorienting, and decreases my experience of this forum Amelia.

You do what you have to do, that's fine with me, but when there are holes in the conversation I find it hard to make sense of, which limits my desire to contribute.

I didn't see bits of this thread, so I am confused now about what happened.

I think there could be a well thought out discussion, and rationale for calling some folks here bourgeois whores, but I currently lack the interest to initiate it.

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Originally Posted by Buster Friendly

I find the deletion of posts to be disorienting, and decreases my experience of this forum Amelia.

You do what you have to do, that's fine with me, but when there are holes in the conversation I find it hard to make sense of, which limits my desire to contribute.

I didn't see bits of this thread, so I am confused now about what happened.

I think there could be a well thought out discussion, and rationale for calling some folks here bourgeois whores, but I currently lack the interest to initiate it.

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If people want to disagree on specific issues they feel someone has an opinion on which is bourgeois or whorish, that is fine, but they need to be articulate enough to explain their view without name-calling.

The only troll this forum has ever had has been put into a liminal state until he makes a decision on whether he wants to be a troll and the first person ever banned for forum behavior on Blue Blood or a real member of the community. His posts are not deleted but temporarily unavailable, and can either come back or disappear forever, depending on his behavior and what is best for the forum. This is the very last time I am going to address this issue. I am honestly appalled at how fascinated people here seem to be by the undecided fate of one guy who likes to sign up for multiple accounts and talk to himself.

If after sixteen years of publishing, nine or ten of those with web forums available, one person may or may not end up getting banned for online behavior . . . well, it just doesn't seem like a big deal. And the reason our only troll has been put into limbo until he decides whether his goal is to be disruptively unpleasant is because discussing it is unutterably dull and I prefer interesting conversations.

Whether or not episode centauri/penus boy gets banned or not is completely unimportant to me Amelia.

It's the holes in the conversation, and not being able to follow what's been said, and what others responded to in the thread that I object to.

Honestly, if you'd locked that account I could have cared less, but not being able to see what was here before dampens my enthusiasm for continuing to provide free content for your forum.

If there's a record of what happened I can make my own judgement of what to think about it. This isn't the only set of posts you've deleted out of boredom lately, and I'm not sure how I feel about participating in a "community" where our conversations are subject to your whims, as if we were old toys you'd left on the floor.

This is your forum, run it however you like I have no objection to that I'm just stating that I find these recent actions to be less interesting myself.

BF, honestly, much of that reads like simpering over-dramatization, not to mention some of it is simply untrue. Nobody is forcing you to participate. The amount of post moderation here is staggeringly low in comparison to a lot of other places. I wish there were none, but certain characters seem to take it on themselves to test the limits. Perhaps if we had to deal with this sort of thing more often, we'd be smoother about it. You are right, it does seem out of place. However, I don't really think you are missing much here and the whingeing about it only serves to dampen the mood, which was the character's intention in the first place. Don't be an unwitting pawn in someone else's petty game.

Not this again. We already have a thread about how Amelia is an evil fascist dictator. Can you please post in the appropriate topic?

And so when I finally started reading trough this, most interesting part disappeared :)

If you just started reading it, how do you know that the part that's missing was the most interesting?

It was just Allah and Raza arguing over what the definition of is is.

I'm thinking of having a t-shirt made that says, "I reject your definition of consensual reality- but I got banned from the forums before I could substitute my own."

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Originally Posted by Morning Glory

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I'm thinking of having a t-shirt made that says, "I reject your definition of consensual reality- but I got banned from the forums before I could substitute my own."

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I would award you + 2 internets for that.

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Originally Posted by Morning Glory

If you just started reading it, how do you know that the part that's missing was the most interesting?

It was just Allah and Raza arguing over what the definition of is is.

I'm thinking of having a t-shirt made that says, "I reject your definition of consensual reality- but I got banned from the forums before I could substitute my own."

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I'd wear that shirt.

And Morning Glory wins the thread.

WAIT!

Models are supposed to exercise?

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Originally Posted by Jax

WAIT!

Models are supposed to exercise?

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Yes, but only yoga or kickboxing. Alt models may substitute either of those for filliping knife fighting or rodeo. :p: