Soo who is really really broke?

[One Eyed Cat]

money sucks!

good luck everyone.

Agreed and likewise. Daylight in 2010. I am looking forward to 2009 on a personal level, but I see very little chance of a recovery in terms of the economy proper.

OEC

[Morning Glory]

OEC: 100 bucks sound like a pretty damn good take for a local act to me.

I'm not sure the size you are talking, for places around here that expect say 50 people to show up with maybe two touring acts + locals, they may have a hard time making a $300 gaurantee.

maybe I'm just too much of a small fish when it comes to these things. The collective that I roll with is all donation based and we usually get around 20-60 bucks a show, which almost always goes entirely to the touring acts.

[One Eyed Cat]

OEC: 100 bucks sound like a pretty damn good take for a local act to me.

I'm not sure the size you are talking, for places around here that expect say 50 people to show up with maybe two touring acts + locals, they may have a hard time making a $300 gaurantee.

maybe I'm just too much of a small fish when it comes to these things. The collective that I roll with is all donation based and we usually get around 20-60 bucks a show, which almost always goes entirely to the touring acts.

It is well above average for a local, yeah. That's part of why we're all happy. I know it's going to be hard to keep up. I could hit that guarantee .... barely (if that is really the anticipated draw) We're starting to all take passes on nationals. I can't afford to subsidize shows unless it *seriously* advances an obscure genre/band/performer I like.

OEC

PS: I assume you mean p-rock tours? Not many people could afford to tour pulling in 20-60 a gig. That's pretty brutal.

[OliX]

im not sure of all of the details, but it has something to do with the fact that it was in a different state, and she doesn't have fraud protection...the credit card company said something to the effect that they cant "take her word for it" and she will have to take it to court

Did you maybe asked to borrow money before she told you that?

[VoltaireBlue]

club business has been extremely slow since election day. I'm going to have to travel out soon.

[Morning Glory]

OEC

PS: I assume you mean p-rock tours? Not many people could afford to tour pulling in 20-60 a gig. That's pretty brutal.

p-rock? yeah, that usually means you get gas money to the next stop. But you can also get someone to let you sleep in their living room and cook you food, so it's not too bad.

most of the people I know work at a normal job from 9-11 months out of the year and save up so that they can go on tour out of their own pocket.

[Ajax Knucklebones]

club business has been extremely slow since election day. I'm going to have to travel out soon.

When guys don't have money to give to beautiful woman such as yourself, then you know the economy is fucked!

[One Eyed Cat]

p-rock? yeah, that usually means you get gas money to the next stop. But you can also get someone to let you sleep in their living room and cook you food, so it's not too bad.

most of the people I know work at a normal job from 9-11 months out of the year and save up so that they can go on tour out of their own pocket.

Yeah. I have friends that still do that. I think they're bloody nuts, but it's their passion so .... more power.

OEC

[Pull~My~Hair]

Did you maybe asked to borrow money before she told you that?

hahaha..no

[VoltaireBlue]

When guys don't have money to give to beautiful woman such as yourself, then you know the economy is fucked!

here's the thing: I'm still making more than the other girls; its just not enough. I'm researching key west right now, as well as nashville and a few others. I gotta travel out before I'm too broke to afford it.

[Ajax Knucklebones]

here's the thing: I'm still making more than the other girls; its just not enough. I'm researching key west right now, as well as nashville and a few others. I gotta travel out before I'm too broke to afford it.

Livin' in Florida, I can tell you that I hear during the winter, Key West is fuckin' hoppin', but during the summer it's dead. For year round business, the best place in Florida would probably be Miami.

[Bikerpunk]

Bienvenido A Miami

[VoltaireBlue]

I chose key west because of contact restrictions. the rest of FL has contact laws that I am totally uncomfortable with. I hate strangers touching me. I've decked guys at work in the past for it...... so yeah, it has to be medium one way contact or (prefferably) less. as far as I know, key west is no contact.

[a_small_death]

Web Design biz has been slow as fuck down here. I haven't had a client in fucking months. Regular work is also impossible to find unless you are a damn nurse. Never pictured being in a basement at this point in life with nothing but me and my cat.

[Ajax Knucklebones]

I chose key west because of contact restrictions. the rest of FL has contact laws that I am totally uncomfortable with. I hate strangers touching me. I've decked guys at work in the past for it...... so yeah, it has to be medium one way contact or (prefferably) less. as far as I know, key west is no contact.

I've lived in Florida for 18 years and didn't even know of this law. I've only gone to strip joints here a few times and wouldn't even think about touching the girls except to place a bill in the lace of their panties. Where I live there is no nude bars...not even topless. You can open an all-nude joint but no alcohol can be consumed. One opened once here and didn't last 3 months. Alcohol and semi-naked ladies go together. Here the ladies just do string thongs and bras at so-called strip joints. After a certain time of the night though, some of them will take off the bras to earn some extra tips, but if they get caught by the undercovers they get arrested for indecent exposure.

[SyntheticShock]

For the most part it's just my electric bill that is killing me, its absolutely horriffic and I cringe everytime I get it.

In order to cut back on bills instead of buying new clothes, I trade with other girls on a LJ community, so all I pay is a few bucks for shipping and get something that's new to me and trade them for something I never wear!

I am a huge fan of bartering/trade instead of using cash, so if theres a way I can do it, I'm all for it, I think more people should be doing it!

[Ajax Knucklebones]

For the most part it's just my electric bill that is killing me, its absolutely horriffic and I cringe everytime I get it.

In order to cut back on bills instead of buying new clothes, I trade with other girls on a LJ community, so all I pay is a few bucks for shipping and get something that's new to me and trade them for something I never wear!

I am a huge fan of bartering/trade instead of using cash, so if theres a way I can do it, I'm all for it, I think more people should be doing it!

As long as you know how to barter and not get ripped off.

[Amelia G]

For the most part it's just my electric bill that is killing me, its absolutely horriffic and I cringe everytime I get it.

In order to cut back on bills instead of buying new clothes, I trade with other girls on a LJ community, so all I pay is a few bucks for shipping and get something that's new to me and trade them for something I never wear!

I am a huge fan of bartering/trade instead of using cash, so if theres a way I can do it, I'm all for it, I think more people should be doing it!

I love punk rock barter, but I have been disappointed so often that I've been slowly moving my civilization level up to actual money. I find it really dismal how often I am supposed to give someone a pig for two chickens and they take the pig and then decide to have some sort of falling out to avoid giving me the chickens they owe me or demonize me so they don't feel bad about screwing me out of the chickens. Barter feels more like community than stupid money, but violation of barter terms is so much harder to explain to a third party, where a money deal just ends all discussion so much more often.

[keiko]

nuuu. not my smokes D:
i'm worried about this more than i am about food. i could stand to lose weight, but cigarettes keep me just this side of sanity.

I've been bumming them when i can, buying 'em for my 17 yr old house mate in exchange for a few when he has the cash. if it wasn't for the nearly constant flow of weed from upstairs there'd be no way i wasn't killing people. esp since i had to borrow some of my room mate's last 5 dollars to buy tampons last week. eurgh. the only upside is that since there's no money for going any where and no jobs to acquire said money, i've gotten a lot of writing done. we can actually count the pages in double digits now. hopefully this is just the darkness before the dawn and things will lighten up here shortly.

at least smokes are only $4.20 here. they were almost $6 in Seattle.

~K

[Buster Friendly]

I think cigarettes are something like $8 around here in NYC, I don't smoke so it's not my thing, but tons of my friends do.

It would always amaze me how much said friends would bitch about being broke, not having any money for food, being forced to live on .12 ramen noodles, or not eating for days, and yet always seemed to have cash for tobacco, and booze. like every night.

No reflection on anyone here, no judgment or criticism meant

Just watching these buddies of mine who work full time, get malnourished yet keep up the booze, dope, and smoke habits was pretty eye opening towards some of my own behavior.

[keiko]

the strip clubs around here aren't even hiring any more.

my ex is drinking five nights a week and complaining to me that he's broke.

I've been doing all the laundry that ends up in the basement as far as earning my keep goes, and since Tim wasn't home when i woke up i pulled all the trash and dishes out of his room. i didn't scrub it but it was my way of paying him back for giving me the spare change for necessities.

i was contemplating the idea of a generic brand of necessities, like tampons, toilet paper, condoms and soap, for a nominal fee. get the whole thing to be backed by big tobacco. if i have $10 to my name, i can get the necessities and a pack of smokes and float for a week. and i know there are people everywhere that would take advantage of that. yeah if i had the cash i'd buy my $10 a box tampons and my $11 condoms and the $8 body wash, but when i'm down to $8 i'll take the cheaper option, just like i know you all would.

it's nice to dream isn't it? of those times back in '04 when we could eat sushi three nights a week and hit all the clubs and go to the movies. when going for a ride up the coast was a breeze cause we had a toyota and gas was $1.39. *sigh* those were the days. financially anyway.

~K

[Jax]

I feel really grateful that I dont have to worry about money.

I hope your situations looks up for all of you. Somethings gotta pick up in the economy soon.

[bre.star]

i know what you're going through, which is one of the reasons i finally got the guts to get into porn (about 10 months ago)... even the adult biz is suffering...i have money now, but it is basically going to my family because my dad lost his job, my mom has a shitty job, my bro is disabled, and my sister is a princess (hehe)... blah... i'm happy to see obama won though, hopefully the economy will get better...

[Ajax Knucklebones]

Just about the same time Obama is being sworn in I'm probably gonna be out of a job. Good times. Good times.

Back when they were signing the $700 million bailout, I was about the biggest supporter on here understanding that it was to help stimulate the economy. Now that I see who's getting the bailout money, I've realized it's being used for one purpose only. To make big companies get even bigger. Most of the banks that have received these funds so far don't really need them. They're just using the funds the government lends them to buy out smaller banks (the real main street) that REALLY need the funds. From what I can tell the requirements the governments put into the bill in order to receive the money basically spells out that as a bank, even without the cash, you'll be fine. Didn't the Republicans get voted out?

Then they said that they would use some of the money to help out the auto industry. I actually was fine with that because there are millions of workers in the auto industry. Now, today, the government says no. That's not what the money was for.

My real question now is then if not to save jobs and stimulate the economy just WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BAILOUT FOR?

Republicans...Democrats...They're all starting to look like the same party to me.

[Amelia G]

Just about the same time Obama is being sworn in I'm probably gonna be out of a job. Good times. Good times.

Back when they were signing the $700 million bailout, I was about the biggest supporter on here understanding that it was to help stimulate the economy. Now that I see who's getting the bailout money, I've realized it's being used for one purpose only. To make big companies get even bigger. Most of the banks that have received these funds so far don't really need them. They're just using the funds the government lends them to buy out smaller banks (the real main street) that REALLY need the funds. From what I can tell the requirements the governments put into the bill in order to receive the money basically spells out that as a bank, even without the cash, you'll be fine. Didn't the Republicans get voted out?

Then they said that they would use some of the money to help out the auto industry. I actually was fine with that because there are millions of workers in the auto industry. Now, today, the government says no. That's not what the money was for.

My real question now is then if not to save jobs and stimulate the economy just WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BAILOUT FOR?

Republicans...Democrats...They're all starting to look like the same party to me.

What do you think about the idea of some of the bailout dough going to electric car technology, rather than old oil-boosting car companies?

I mean, I'd prefer that they didn't do the bailout and my elected representatives are as aware of that as y'all, but if they gotta spend the dough . . .

[Dusk]

Web Design biz has been slow as fuck down here. I haven't had a client in fucking months. Regular work is also impossible to find unless you are a damn nurse. Never pictured being in a basement at this point in life with nothing but me and my cat.

At least you got a cat. And a basement.
All ive got is a bling dog and an under-the-house.

[Ajax Knucklebones]

What do you think about the idea of some of the bailout dough going to electric car technology, rather than old oil-boosting car companies?

I mean, I'd prefer that they didn't do the bailout and my elected representatives are as aware of that as y'all, but if they gotta spend the dough . . .

I don't think any of it should go to electric car technology. Not because I don't believe we don't need to invest in this technology. I most certainly do, but now is not the time to do it. We're heading into what might be a depression. We need to do what we can to avoid that. We're in this mess mostly because of the housing industry took a shitter. Not because oil went up in price for that last few years. To cure that, the American car companies just need to produce smaller cars. People aren't buying American cars, period, because we don't have money available ( lots of people are out of work) and because banks are no longer lending out the cash to purchase vehicles. I surely don't want to help the fat cats of the auto industry, but I also don't want to see 3 million hard working Americans out of work because GM or the other 2 big car companies go out of business. We need something that will help stimulate the economy as soon as possible, to do our best to avoid a depression. I think you're right though in that for all the studying the government did since the last depression, they still don't know really how to avoid this one. We'll see....

As far as alternate energy sources, I think most Americans agree that more money should have gone into this technology YEARS ago, but because the government and big business makes so much money on oil, the lobbyists of said oil companies have made sure for years that government put alot of money into oil...not alternative energy and now it's finally coming back to bite America in the ass.

If we didn't use oil to run cars their would be soooo much less problems with our country. I think the government definietly needs to pass a bill to invest some billions into this technology, but a "bailout" bill is just that...To bailout America from sinking more into a faltering economy. Investing bailout money in alternative technology would not help the economy for YEARS. We need something now to help. Be it in helping banks, car companies, credit companies, or the common man since all this has been discussed under this bill, as long as in the end it helps America in some way avoid a depression. That's how this money should be used. Frankly though, I don't think the government KNOWS how any of this money will help avoid a GREAT recession or a new depression. THAT'S the real scary part.

[Mr Karl]

unionized auto workers out of jobs?well that'll teach them to take a good thing for granted.

sad to say but maybe it's time to alter the mainstream and ya gotta start somewhere

As for people, jobs, economy, depression and all that, well like my father used to say:........"in der Not frisst der Teufel Fliegen"

[Jax]

Im still waiting to see this great recession or depression everyone keeps talking about. Scare tactics. I aint buying it.

[OliX]

I wish you were right Jax...

[grebo]

a guy i used to work for turned 75, he ran newsagents (and later on, porno shops)
he said during the depression the newsagents made heaps of money cos the newspapers had discount coupons in them, newspapers are cheap but it all adds up for the guy selling them

[Ajax Knucklebones]

Im still waiting to see this great recession or depression everyone keeps talking about. Scare tactics. I aint buying it.

Apparently, you don't live where I live. Unemployment is already 9.5% where I live...But you are right about alot of it...Alot of scare tatics by reporters who are having a field day at making living right now.

[Ajax Knucklebones]

I wish you were right Jax...

Ummm....Olix...Are you talking about where you live or America?

[Ajax Knucklebones]

unionized auto workers out of jobs?well that'll teach them to take a good thing for granted.

sad to say but maybe it's time to alter the mainstream and ya gotta start somewhere

As for people, jobs, economy, depression and all that, well like my father used to say:........"in der Not frisst der Teufel Fliegen"

And in English, please? Dave's not here, man.

[Amelia G]

Apparently, you don't live where I live. Unemployment is already 9.5% where I live...But you are right about alot of it...Alot of scare tatics by reporters who are having a field day at making living right now.

I think having titans of industry panhandling is removing the normal stigma most people would feel accepting charity. If it is good enough for investment bankers and car manufacturers, then the regular underemployed person gets in line to apply for benefits, when once they would have suffered for a while until finding something new.

Oh, and of course the economy is sucking hard right now. That's a lil bit of an issue too.

[Ajax Knucklebones]

I think having titans of industry panhandling is removing the normal stigma most people would feel accepting charity. If it is good enough for investment bankers and car manufacturers, then the regular underemployed person gets in line to apply for benefits, when once they would have suffered for a while until finding something new.

Oh, and of course the economy is sucking hard right now. That's a lil bit of an issue too.

You mean the titans with their personal jets? You know the whole thing is really starting to stink to a point. Not because we're screwed with the economy, but how within basically two months EVERY fuckin' titan has come out of the wood work for the hand out. I just don't know what to believe anymore. I know the folks in my town are hurting, but like I said that's at 9 +% of unemployment. The entire nation is still working in the 6 % unemployment ratio. At the height of the Great depression unemployment was 25%, but as a nation we're at 6%, yet I read so much how we're heading for one. Like I stated before, it bewilders me that the government hasn't figured out how to infuse the nation with capital to derail a depression. Fuckin' bewilders me....

[OliX]

Something for you AK...



Btw I was thinking of USA atm she posted it but now when I think it concerns us all.

[Jax]

Apparently, you don't live where I live. Unemployment is already 9.5% where I live...But you are right about alot of it...Alot of scare tatics by reporters who are having a field day at making living right now.

In my area its close to 7%. In surrounding areas its close to 8%. Ohio as a whole is 7.3%.

There are jobs. Just not jobs people want or are willing to do. At least around here and from what Ive seen.

Eh I still call scare tactics. But that is my opinion.

[Morning Glory]

the economy always collapses when you least expect it.

[Ajax Knucklebones]

In my area its close to 7%. In surrounding areas its close to 8%. Ohio as a whole is 7.3%.

There are jobs. Just not jobs people want or are willing to do. At least around here and from what Ive seen.

Eh I still call scare tactics. But that is my opinion.

Where I live there's job that have been getting 200 applicants for one position. That scares the Hell out of me, but I do think there's alot of scare tatics being used right now. Reporters need to try to be more optimistic instead of acting like it's the end of the world. Most economic problems get worse by the emotion of the whole thing. Constantly putting out a pessimistic view in the papers only makes true a self-fulfilling prophecy. One of the big reasons the recession in 2001-2002 wasn't bad was because Americans were like "Fuck the terrorists...We're gonna get through all this." The mindset was optimistic and so the economy got back on track and got better. Although where I live has been in a recession for almost two years now, all the negative national press didn't flourish until only 2 months ago and now all of a sudden we're fucking doomed. 6 months ago it was all about inflation. 6 months later it's all about deflation. How about mentioning positive things about the future economy like we have a new president...Like 6% is NOT a depression...Like ONLY 5 years ago, stocks were as low as they are now...LIke deflation is actually better than inflation (easier to fix) No...instead it's "WOW! In the last 50 years, America hasn't seen a single drop in consumer spending like it did this past month ever!" It's a fuckin month...Not a year...Not a few years....Just one fuckin' month AND alot of it was based on people's fear brought on by all the negative reporting. It's not like in one month the unemployment was raised to 10%. Reporters need to put shit in perspective. They are helping in dooming us all. You can't help raise people's optimistic view by ALWAYS talking doom and gloom.