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    Hi all......I’ve got a huge favor to ask. I’m righting an essay on Goths for my college Sociology class, and I need some answers to the questions below. It is totally anonymous as I wont say where I got the info and from who.

    Values.
    1. What does it mean to be a goth?

    2. What was desirable about becoming a goth?

    3. What do goth guy/girls find attractive in each other?

    4. What things are desired by Goths?

    5. What if any religion do you follow?

    6. What kind of job would u like to have in the future?

    7. How do you feel about having kids would you want them to be Goths as well?

    8. What actions make a good/bad goth?

    Language.
    1. Are there any special buzz words?

    2. What language do you prefer?

    3. Are there any bad words?

    Norms.
    1. Are there things you can’t do as a goth?

    2. Are there things you’re expected to do?

    3. Are there rules about how you are suppose to behave?

    4. Are there any taboos?

    5. How do you address each other?

    6. Where do you hangout?

    7. Is there a standard of dress?

    Symbols.
    1. Are there any specific gestures, and what are there meanings?

    2. Are there any specific images, and what do they mean?

    3. What does wearing black mean?

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    go to www.goth.net they have a lot of info on that

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    You stole my link, dammit!

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    ha ha... that is a great website to refer people to

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    where do you go to school? jst a freak here not a hhndred perdcent goth

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    thanks for the link. Um I go to school at Diablo Valley College in California I knew some goths in HS but lost contact with them along with everyone else i knew . I kow its a pain but if u would answer some questions that would be a huge help!!!

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    So this is a goth community!?

    ... sometimes, I am amazed by how oblivious I am of things.

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    normally thats how I am

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    I wouldn't call this a goth community per se. I just think a lot of goths come here.

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    I'll play....

    1. What does it mean to be a goth?

    I'm not really sure. I was a punk rock girl. It was some sort of evolution.
    I don't like the lable. I don't think it communicates the person I am.

    2. What was desirable about becoming a goth?

    See evolution. See failure to understand the lable.

    3. What do goth guy/girls find attractive in each other?

    Assuming we are really putting people in the "Goth Box" I think most attractions are built on look, common musical interests, followed by the normal everyday attraction factors.

    4. What things are desired by Goths?

    Ya see...this is why I hate generalizations. I desire a larger house with a nice yard. Someone else may desire a herse and a cofin coffee table. See what I mean?

    5. What if any religion do you follow?

    I am an open studier of may religions. I was married in the Episcopalian church. My god father was jewish. I follow some of the Buddist teachings.
    Hindu is very interesting. I read the Koran to understand a culture. I believe in many of the pagan traditions.

    6. What kind of job would u like to have in the future?

    I am a realtor, and photographer. That's just about enough for me.

    7. How do you feel about having kids would you want them to be Goths as well?

    I have a child. He is six. He has an interesting sense of humor. I hope he grows up happy and is able to express himself however he sees fit.

    8. What actions make a good/bad goth?

    I think the media portrays "goths" as nasty, stupid, dangerous, and contrived. I think that is sad.


    Language.
    1. Are there any special buzz words?

    n/a

    2. What language do you prefer?

    English and German

    3. Are there any bad words?

    Cunt doesn't really please me.
    War is a bad word.
    Republican gives me hives.
    Poser comes to mind.

    Norms.
    1. Are there things you can’t do as a goth?

    I don't often see gothics swimming. ;-P

    2. Are there things you’re expected to do?

    I have no idea.

    3. Are there rules about how you are suppose to behave?

    Not spoken ones.

    4. Are there any taboos?

    n/a

    5. How do you address each other?

    Hi! How are you?

    6. Where do you hangout?

    At the cafe, at clubs, at resturants, at my house.

    7. Is there a standard of dress?

    The whole point of being unique would be to not dress like everyone else, right?

    Symbols.
    1. Are there any specific gestures, and what are there meanings?

    ?

    2. Are there any specific images, and what do they mean?

    Again, depends on who you are and your belief set.

    3. What does wearing black mean?

    It's very slimming and easy to match.

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    Truely, I am not mocking you. It's just that with a group of misanthropes, which is a total oximoron anyway, it's hard to push people futher into labled sets. People are people. "Goth" folk tend not to conform to "normal" mores of society. Not that they live outside of the "rules of society" just that they tend to have a different taste or make different lifestyle choices. They choose to express themselves more flamboyantly.

    /cora throws down .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wol265
    Hi all......I’ve got a huge favor to ask. I’m righting an essay on Goths for my college Sociology class, and I need some answers to the questions below. It is totally anonymous as I wont say where I got the info and from who.

    How do you expect to get a good grade on a college level Sociology paper without citing credible sources? I'm not sure 'I asked some people but I won't say who' is quite the best foundation for any substantial cultural conclusions. I mean, to be totally frank, I'm not really nuts about the number of people that have used various Blue Blood projects as a resource over the years without giving proper credits. I am proud that our works have been used properly as classroom material in a wide range of collegiate/academic venues, from sociology to human sexuality to art and even photography. So, I kinda think you should cite your sources.

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    I would say that I got some info from the people at blueblood, but the professor dosnt seem to really care.....or at least thats how it seems....I'm going check tommorrow.

    And hey big thanks to those who as corachaos says:
    "Ill play" The more the merrier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros
    So this is a goth community!?
    At this point it's safe to say it's a healthy mix of a lot of things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tequila Zaire
    At this point it's safe to say it's a healthy mix of a lot of things...

    Exactly. Blue Blood has always been about a healthy mix of a lot of things. Even with the original publications, we mixed a lot of interesting cultures together to focus on what was really cool and entertaining.

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    I think the point was so that like um.. I don't know... in the highly irregular circumstance that the teacher shows this paper to one of his freinds, that's the boss of a memmber of this site, and he sees that he contributed to the paper and says "Holy shit! Bill from Accounting likes to dress up in black eye makeup and leather.. and he looks at porn on the internet! that's not the kind of person we want to promote!" ok. yeah. I don't know.. hahaha. but that'd be pretty funny.

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    hehe....Yeah thats about it....I just dont want someone to worry about saying something that might be held against him.

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    Just get a copy of this:
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...e&s=books&st=*
    I've not read it - somebody's sociology PhD ain't my idea of a fun read - but it should be ideal for your purposes.

    Oh, and as everybody knows, the truest sign of a Goth is that they'll deny being one to their dying breath. So, good luck...

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    Okay I'm gonna try and bring the disscussion back to topic. I am in need...wait no I'm begging u to answer my questions. I have only had two people answer the questions so far. So please do me a huge favor and take 2 or 3 min to answer the questions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wol265
    Okay I'm gonna try and bring the disscussion back to topic. I am in need...wait no I'm begging u to answer my questions. I have only had two people answer the questions so far. So please do me a huge favor and take 2 or 3 min to answer the questions!
    I say... Down with the labels. People are people. Most people are living others lives, but there is a small percentage of people that are actually themselves.

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    I think everyone's opinion on the matter counts.

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    Values.
    1. What does it mean to be a goth?
    It means you have invaded the Western Roman empire because you were sick of being left out of civilized society. You brought your buddies, the Visigoths and the Vandals, and integrated into European society.
    2. What was desirable about becoming a goth?
    Mostly the horses, I think.
    3. What do goth guy/girls find attractive in each other?
    a full set of teeth
    4. What things are desired by Goths?
    aquaducts/public baths, villas, decent roads.....
    5. What if any religion do you follow?
    Me? I thought we were talking about the Goths.....
    6. What kind of job would u like to have in the future?
    Who, me?
    7. How do you feel about having kids would you want them to be Goths as well?
    I'm a Celt. I would like for my offspring to also be Celtic.
    8. What actions make a good/bad goth?
    Good Goths try to blend into structured society, bad Goths ***** and pillaged, harr!

    Blah, blah, blah..... skipping ahead.....

    3. What does wearing black mean?
    It means that I fucking like black. I just had this conversation with a pathetic redneck in a plaid shirt and jeans earlier tonight...... All of my clothes match each other. I can dress in the dark. Black doesn't stain. I can wear the same things over and over without anyone noticing exactly how many of each item I wear in a specific period of time. But all that is completely irrelevant. The real reason is that it's what I feel comfortable in. Some people (such as the guy I was talking to) wear jeans every single day because they think they're comfortable, and yet they manage to go without being harrassed for wearing the same colour every day. I see no reason to wear something I find uncomfortable in order to please other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuietPlace
    I say... Down with the labels. People are people. Most people are living others lives, but there is a small percentage of people that are actually themselves.
    Hmmmm...I kinda get what your saying and kinda not....if that makes any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuietPlace
    I say... Down with the labels. People are people. Most people are living others lives, but there is a small percentage of people that are actually themselves.
    Everyone labels everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macabre_Dreams
    Everyone labels everyone.
    True, but how much someone acutally is that label is questionable. But how much does the label have to do with the questions?

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    thats a lot of questions, I dont know if I am a 'goth' even though I like the fact that I can go to a 'goth' bar and hear good music ,dance with people who are actually consistent with keeping a beat, see people who actualy look like people I like to look at but the way I realy see it is to quote this sign an old bar I use go to used to have outside

    no cover
    no dress code
    no attitude

    that about sums it up for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wol265
    Hi all......I’ve got a huge favor to ask. I’m righting an essay on Goths for my college Sociology class, and I need some answers to the questions below. It is totally anonymous as I wont say where I got the info and from who.

    Values.
    1. What does it mean to be a goth?

    I think bringing something to the table is important.

    2. What was desirable about becoming a goth?

    I found them to be accepting, intelligent people with
    similar interests. I refuse to label myself. I have definitely
    been around the punk and gothic "scenes" tho.

    3. What do goth guy/girls find attractive in each other?

    Intelligence, Beauty, Simply being yourself.

    4. What things are desired by Goths?

    World Domination/Peace and aesthetic environments.

    5. What if any religion do you follow?

    I identify with Transcendentalism.

    6. What kind of job would u like to have in the future?

    Anything self-directed.

    7. How do you feel about having kids would you want them to be Goths as well?

    When I grow up perhaps. I would want my kids to have an environment where
    they could discover their own bliss.

    8. What actions make a good/bad goth?

    Eldergoths rock!

    Language.
    1. Are there any special buzz words?

    Let's hope not.

    2. What language do you prefer?

    Ukrainian and English

    3. Are there any bad words?

    Boredom must be outlawed as a word and state of mind.

    Norms.
    1. Are there things you can’t do as a goth?

    Can never implies ought. Hopefully, it is a community of civil people.

    2. Are there things you’re expected to do?

    Please.

    3. Are there rules about how you are suppose to behave?

    I prefer to associate with those who don't subscribe to such proprieties

    4. Are there any taboos?

    I think humans in general have taboos against **** and incest. I believe
    all goths do as well. Beyond that, it is about being yourself and having
    no boundaries in your life.

    5. How do you address each other?

    Usually by name or monicker.

    6. Where do you hangout?

    Exactly where we want. If I end up hanging out a cemetery it
    is based on aesthetic interest or to visit people I've lost. I don't
    think the cliches are applicable.

    7. Is there a standard of dress?

    I think only due to the desires of the individuals. The club I used to
    go to certainly had none.

    Symbols.
    1. Are there any specific gestures, and what are there meanings?

    I am too animated with body gestures to even interpret.

    2. Are there any specific images, and what do they mean?

    Bauhaus means good music.

    3. What does wearing black mean?
    Sexy, clean, Simple. I heard a theory once that people in black were introverts
    that would otherwise wear fuck me red. Who knows?


    OEC

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEyedCat
    Sexy, clean, Simple. I heard a theory once that people in black were introverts
    that would otherwise wear fuck me red. Who knows?


    OEC
    That's my second favorite color.

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    Values.
    1. What does it mean to be a goth?
    the sterotypical goth prolly feels it attracts attention, i used to think it was about being original but now i'm realizing if you go to do something that's already been done it's not very original

    2. What was desirable about becoming a goth?
    i like the art. i like the self expression that comes from everyone. at first i thought goths were sick people, but after getting to know the real culture i've discovered they're actually really romantic.

    3. What do goth guy/girls find attractive in each other?
    i fell for my husband for his opinions first. then i liked the music he listened to, and when i saw his room i wanted to be in it all the time. just like any person i think goths are attracted to people they share intrests with, not all "goths" are interested in the same thing.

    4. What things are desired by Goths?
    i wish i was back in florida, laying on the beach rolling in the sand and letting the sun darken my skin. (i'm not gothic) i want money, cartoons by jhonen vasquez, an infinate music collection, and to live in germany for at least a year. i don't know what "goths" want, i think they're people... and all people want different things

    5. What if any religion do you follow?
    i was raised a seventh day avedntest but i can't spell the word, now i'm athiest i don't think i spelled that one right either

    6. What kind of job would u like to have in the future?
    i want to be a cake decorater and own my own bakery that specializes in cakes for weddings, birthdays and other celebrations

    7. How do you feel about having kids would you want them to be Goths as well?
    i can't wait till the day i feel ready to have kids, i will do my best to raise them into believing that any form of self expression is completely acceptable despite societies restrictions, be them varsity football players, or abstract artists, or both

    8. What actions make a good/bad goth?
    dunno, but i know what makes a good/bad person and i assume its the same thing.

    Language.
    1. Are there any special buzz words?
    i haven't heard any

    2. What language do you prefer?
    i like listening to german lyrics in songs, i think french is a language that rolls off the tounge, i only know bad english

    3. Are there any bad words?
    of course

    Norms.
    1. Are there things you can’t do as a goth?
    i've noticed that if you go to a hospital with purple hair and a bull ring in your nose, they won't hire you as a secretary (believe me i tried) society has a way of restricting things that scare them, and they're scared of things they don't understand

    2. Are there things you’re expected to do?
    i suppose i'm expected to have emotions, go to work everyday, pay my bills, and call my mother once a week... (i'm a mommy's girl)

    3. Are there rules about how you are suppose to behave?
    i don't really give a fuck

    4. Are there any taboos?
    aren't black cats supposed to be lucky or something?

    5. How do you address each other?
    i think this is a dumber question then the last two... but i can understand why you asked it

    6. Where do you hangout?
    i live in a small military town that i call hell for the next two years until my husband gets out of the army which is incidently his hell. there is no place to hang out but a gay night club that plays hip hop. if we want to have fun we drive to dallas, TX. i like movie theaters, coffee shops, there's a neat hooka bar here, i miss the beach terribly (it's most beautiful in the light of a full moon) night clubs are always fun.

    7. Is there a standard of dress?
    when i leave the house to go to the store i put on jeans and a tee shirt. when i come home from the store i put my pjs back on, and when i go out at night i don't always wear all black, but my favorite pair of pants is a pair of black baggy bondage pants (for the record i don't usually like baggy bondage pants, i don't see the point in them)

    Symbols.
    1. Are there any specific gestures, and what are there meanings?
    you know the first thing that pops into my head is the middle finger, but i suppose that's not just for goths any more...

    2. Are there any specific images, and what do they mean?
    an image that pops up in my lil clique of friends is the Ohm symbol, pick up any yoga magazine and you'll see it. i have it tattooed on my forearm. it means independant thinking or being open minded in so many words

    3. What does wearing black mean?
    in florida it means you don't like to go outside, cause it's pretty hot for black all the time, to me it's the same thing as wearing blue or white... but hey i'm not really that gothic

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    I just want to thank those of you who answered my questions. Thanks you, thank you, thank you

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