How Is This Legal???

[Tequila Zaire]

I think I vomited for about an hour. Well it felt like an hour anyhow. Either way at the end of it all the disgust hadn't left and the anger was still potent.

I'm a pretty big SomethingAwful.com fan. They have the kind of humor that makes me gut laugh usually but every now and they they hit on a topic and go to town in it in ways no one anywhere has the balls too.

In their weekly TheWeekendWeb feature they always trash a message board community. It's always great stuff since they target everything from Anime and Furry junkies to stuff even their own members are into.

Their last one however focused on a message board for the kind of guys who are into kids...in a very very bad way. No matter what kind of humor you have, you can't make this stuff funny. SomethingAwful didn't try. Instead they highlighted what has to be some of the most vile shit I've read on the net...ever. That's saying quite a lot.

A while back I had defended the idea of Taboo fiction in that it allows for the exploration of the darker side of human nature and hopefully allows a deeper understanding of it's causes and it's true effects.

This stuff was...clearly men engaged in the support of the ACTION over the fantasy. In some cases given by the responses...their were clear admissions of such actions. One can factor in the typical internet bravado and bullshit...but god damn the tone of it all was very unsettling. The thoughts expressed are horrific in their "logic". It was difficult not to be physically disgusted.

How are communities like that allowed to function? I'm well aware every criminal act has it's online preseance but one would think such an OPEN display of such actions would warrent serious legal ramifications.

I know it sounds hypocritical of me to damn such a community that true enough without proof may as well just be a "fiction" site...but in reading the responses the members of that community give...I don't get the feeling any of this is fiction to them.

What should a society do about such online communities? Shut them down? Use them as a way to monitor such beasts? Something more extreme maybe? Something less os and subversive? or simply honor the rights of free speetch and swallow the bile their words alone cause?

I'll admit it's really hard for me to be objective so I'll leave it to the rest of you to add some sense to even handedness. For that reason I purposely left out the link to SA and their feature...none of it is "graphic" in a XXX manner mind you..it's simply that no matter what these "men" say sounds so sickening it does not matter.

It's not easy reading I'll give you that but if you ever wanted a small clue into the minds of these bastards...tread with caution.

[Umbilical Lotus]

Yeah, I've seen that. Thank god I was an ugly child.

I don't know if written materials have problems - I'm pretty hazy on the legal rights of writers, which considering my aspirations is pretty stupid - but I see absolutely no problem in using whatever information the *********s in question freely post all over the place to lovingly violate their personal privacy. Normally I wouldn't advocate that kind of stuff, but I don't advertise the fact that I like to fuck kids.

There's a difference between writing about a disturbing thing like that as fiction - I do agree that it does well to examine the darker parts of our nature, and I like having every option available for use as plot devices - and going around yelling "I HAVE SEX WITH TWO YEAR OLDS!". Two? Two? What?

Again: thank god I was an ugly child.

[Evilbink]

It is unfortunate that this subject matter can be brought into the spotlight without any consequences. I would hope that these people were writing fiction (doubtful) and maybe they just have vivid literative imaginations. I would also hope that if that is not the case, these "people" suffer dearly. No ammount of payback is enough for the person who violates a child.

just an opinion.

[Toe Cutter]

Makes me ill.

You can go online in my state and put in your zipcode and it will tell you how many level 3 sexual predators live in your neiborhood. I have 5!
I've daydreamed that if I ever got a terminal illness and had nothing to lose paying them a little visit. I'd like to suprise them in full clown make-up with some hand cuffs, a pistol, a straight-razor and some salt. I'd be fun to traumatize them.

[misstayva]

I read it... and didn't find it one bit funny.
Just when I thought I saw the sickest shit I've ever seen... along comes another one that blows the last one out of the water!
I can see why you blew chunks...
I have my two daughters in mind this whole time. Imaginging some creepy fuck like these on the excerpts on that page leering and lemming over them... ugh.

[KilLAtomiK]

im a big fan of SA, and im even a member of their forums. when i saw that article it realy made me feel sick to the pit of my stommach as well. I didint even read the whole thing i probably stopped along the third page or so. Wether or not what those people are talking about is real or fiction id say if its a crime to commit that act, it should be a crime to write about it in the fassion they do. In a way they were glorifying and defending it while not realizing how horrible they are for even thinking of such things.The thought that theres people like this in the world is just sickening to bring back the hell topic, if it is real its intended for people like them.

[pixina]

oh my god i can't even look at that site. i will vomit. these motherfuckers have thier meetings in the public library and snatch our children from under our noses. ugh.
i never was a ricky martin fan until i found out he actually tries to save children from these horrible fates. that is what he does these days (instead of shaking his bon bon). he rescues children from perverts, starvation, torture, etc. ricky martin

[misstayva]

Just like those NAMBLA assholes. Those sick fucks think having a relationship with a little boy is natural, and children should be allowed to have sex, that it won't scar them.

One of those NAMBLA assholes had a real hard on (no pun) for a friend of mine when he was young. There was a group of them that used to prowl around their hangout. One day, this sicko finally propisitioned my friend. That guy got the beatdown of his life, from a bunch of young teenagers. Anytime they'd see these NAMBLA guys, they'd beat them down...
I think they deserve more than that, like their perverted dingdongs cut off... fucking nasty.
Not to mention, the first one that got beat down tried to turn it aroud on my friend... trying to call him sick and brainwashed!

[TheDeathKnight]

I know it's sick and all, but I am sure people would think Keiko's fiction is sick, or our S&M discussions are sick. I think we need to keep freedom of speech. If these sickos were prevented from ever being near a child, I would want them to be able to express their fantasies. It's like porn. It's a way for people to fantasize about things they would not do in real life. Hell, if I fucked as many women as I masturbated to, I would have AIDS for sure by now. So if these sickos can get off by reading these stories, it's fine with me, as long as they stay at home, and don't do anything to anyone. If I was the chief of police in my town, I'd use sites like these to monitor these people. I'd make sure they knew we were aware of what they like, and that we are watching them. As I said in other posts, I wish they would take every traffic cop, and every meter maid, and put them to work keeping an eye on child molestors, and other known criminals. I also wish that any offence was punished severely. So if someone is caught doing something like that, they would be put away for life. Yes, they need help. But they also need to be off the street. They can be a constructive member of the prison community. I'm not saying to kill them. But getting them off the streets is essential.

[Toe Cutter]

I can't be that logical & unemotional about this subject. This is one instance where I have fascist tendancies. I'd round them up and butcher them if I could.

[papilloma]

Where Is The Fucking Link?????

[KilLAtomiK]

If these sickos were prevented from ever being near a child, I would want them to be able to express their fantasies. It's like porn.

fuck that its things like that that make them think its ok to even think about. im all for kinkyness and a bit of depravity , i mean thats the reason were all on this site righ? but fantasyzing about taking advantage of children is too much, thats not a fetish or a kink someone has its just plain sick and horrible. there is now fuckin way you can justify what those people are talking about doing even if its just fantasy.

[papilloma]

fuck that its things like that that make them think its ok to even think about. im all for kinkyness and a bit of depravity , i mean thats the reason were all on this site righ? but fantasyzing about taking advantage of children is too much, thats not a fetish or a kink someone has its just plain sick and horrible. there is now fuckin way you can justify what those people are talking about doing even if its just fantasy.

you are just a fascist, everybody is allowed to fantasize about whatever he/she wants, even if its to **** babies with razorblades and ballonetes in their young asses...sweet blood...ummmm i mean....have you read 1984 ??????????? ARE YOU GOING TO PUNISH SOMEBODY FOR WHAT HE/SHE IS THINKING?????? thats too fascist that im scared there is people like you over there

[Toe Cutter]

you are just a fascist, everybody is allowed to fantasize about whatever he/she wants, even if its to **** babies with razorblades and ballonetes in their young asses...sweet blood...ummmm i mean....have you read 1984 ??????????? ARE YOU GOING TO PUNISH SOMEBODY FOR WHAT HE/SHE IS THINKING?????? thats too fascist that im scared there is people like you over there

You are such a fucking retard!

[Spaceman Spiff]

As disgusting as it is, you can't deny them their right to talk about stuff (assuming the board isn't in violation of any speach laws). As long as there is no evidance of corresponding corporeal action, I would have to agree with TheDeathKnight that we should let them write instead of do. And as unfortunate as it may seem, if we assume the link between words and action with these people then its just as easy for others to assume the link between videogames and violence, or movies and crime, or anything else you can think of that the restriction of would convert the entire country into a giant Salt Lake City...no offence to the mormans, I just needed a comparison. But it seems to me, after a rough day of work I like to pop Vice City into the PS2 and go balistic on the town, but its not like I going to go out and do those things in the real world.
So it seems like if they are taking no physical action then let them do their thing...but maybe I'm wrong, its a huge travisty and we should abolish the internet...I duno.

[papilloma]

You are such a fucking retard!

it seems you dont have the talent of the argument...stupid cuntwhore

[Toe Cutter]

it seems you dont have the talent of the argument...stupid cuntwhore

I'm busy now can I ignore you some other time?

[papilloma]

....as i was saying you can NEVER try to put rules or forbide what is inside of somebodys mind, whatever it is, as long it keeps INSIDE of his mind

[Toe Cutter]

When looked at logically and objectively your right. I just can't do that with diaper-divers. I'm a fascist.

[Forestghost]

....as i was saying you can NEVER try to put rules or forbide what is inside of somebodys mind, whatever it is, as long it keeps INSIDE of his mind

Yes, but these people aren't just keeping it inside their minds. They are sharing their secret thoughts on the internet!

[KilLAtomiK]

When looked at logically and objectively your right. I just can't do that with diaper-divers. I'm a fascist.

im with the clown

[misstayva]

Well, I think a forum like that is just egging on those bastards. They rile each other up. Most probably do end up simply having a wank, but seriously, the statistics of kids who actually get molested is pretty damn disturbing. For all we know, a good chunk of those forum members might actually be out there acting on their words. You see how they talk about parents on there... and 9 times out of 10 a little kid isn't going to tell on them. I say why encourage the bastards!

Plus, the actual act of doing a kid is illegal. Maybe a fetish for some, but definitely illegal. You can't march up in a store and get a Little Girl Luring Kit or different misc. props to aide in child molestation as you can with any other weird kink or fetish. Like I said... why encourage them?

You can bet that site is already heavily monitored.

[Bondage Clown]

I personally believe that those that are into shit like that need to dragged out into a feils and severly **** by silver back gorilla's and after the gorilla's are done with them, and they are laying there booody and beaten, then they need to slid acroos an anti-skid plate, thrown into a pool of lemon-juice and salt... Then slowly lowered into a vat of sulphuric acid, up to there knees... cauterize the wounds, then cover them in honey, and hang them upside down for a while in the middle of the rain forest...


But I don't have any real opinion on the matter

[misstayva]

slid acroos an anti-skid plate, thrown into a pool of lemon-juice and salt... Then slowly lowered into a vat of sulphuric acid, up to there knees... cauterize the wounds, then cover them in honey, and hang them upside down for a while in the middle of the rain forest...

Hey, how did you find out my secret fetish??

[Bondage Clown]

I have been listeing in on your msg. baord postings... lol... I am hella-pathetic... (say it fast like telepathic.. funny huh?)

[TheDeathKnight]

I totally agree with the opinion that those people are fuck-ups, and probably ought to be just taken out and shot. But the point is that they already have these thoughts. I don't know what gets them started, or what makes them think those things to begin with. But those people had those thoughts *before* they ever went to that message board. So they were already thinking about doing those things. Other than serious psychotherapy, or castration, there is not much to do to change that. So I was just thinking that I would rather they just get it out of their system, than keep their desires hidden. Keeping things hidden just makes you want to do them more. Look at normal sex, and normal porn. If you withhold it from yourself, and do not look at any porn, and don't have sex, and don't masturbate, you will be ready to explode in a few weeks. I don't want those guys running around all super-horny for kiddie sex. I would rather they read stories, and jack off... Just because some of us may look at some kinky porn once in a while, does not mean we go do everything we see or fantasize about. In fact, a lot of the things we fantasize about, are things we can't do in real life. If we have a girlfriend, you can't bang hundreds of girls. So you fantasize about it. It does not mean you go out and cheat. And if you have a fantasy for rough sex, you might just fantasize about it, if your SO is not into that kind of thing... But just because you fantasize about it, does not mean you go out and attack random women.

Trust me, I really do think that if someone does something bad,
we should throw the book at them. Chemical castration, prison, etc...

But censoring people's porn, or their fantasies, that is just not cool.

[OliX]

good that this is not tabboo theme anymore because is more and more present in our life.... or was it always like that but only undiscovered... muhamed him self ad wife with age of 13... people should openly conversate about this object to keep in mind growing problem.... get to the source of "our" problem ...here in sweden I read every day about some psychos and what not...

ok... openly talk... to break the ice here comes the joke....

two pedohiles walks down the street... one spots 5 year old kid and says: "MMMM, look at that..." and another is like: "hmmmm, kinda not... that walks"



my medicine: give them
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[Buster Friendly]

gotta let them have their sick little fantasies, and allow them to talk about it.

it's that simple...

otherwise the terrorists win...

[OliX]

yeah... know your enemy... and DON'T ignore them...

[KilLAtomiK]

i dont want to ignore them i want to eliminate them off the face of the planet preferably in the most painful and inhumane way possible. id slaughter them all like the dogs they are if it werent for the consequences

[Buster Friendly]

yeah well I want to kill every motherfucker who eats a hamburger.

what're ya gonna do?

[sheramil]

i'm guessing the pedo forum in question is run by the FBI, and they're logging IP addresses. if they get the idea that one of these sickos is trying to put into practice what they're fantasising about, then they just might send someone down to have a friendly chat with them. these people talk big, but only because they think they're getting away with it.

when the guys in blue knock on your door, most sensible people suddenly become very mild.

[misstayva]

i'm guessing the pedo forum in question is run by the FBI, and they're logging IP addresses. if they get the idea that one of these sickos is trying to put into practice what they're fantasising about, then they just might send someone down to have a friendly chat with them. these people talk big, but only because they think they're getting away with it.

when the guys in blue knock on your door, most sensible people suddenly become very mild.

I guarantee they are monitoring it.
You'd be surprised what "The Man" sees.

[OliX]

an Idea... !!!

organize a party for all the *********s... then let the cyklon B work the rest out

[Cafe_Post_Mortem]

In Victorian England table legs were covered so as not to enflame men's passions, but a person could pick up a prostitute of nearly any age and fuck in a back alley. Repressing ideas does not stop the actions.

Also, if you start repressing unpopular ideas it opens the door t banning other unpopular ideas. Sodomy of any sort is illegal in many states, but people can write about it. Murder, ****, mayhem, revolution, drug use there is an endless number of activities ranging from just illegal to morally repugnant to a vast majority of people. We can write and fantasize about these all we like. The minute we start telling other people they cant we open ourselves to the dangers of being censored. If the majority of voters had thier way, do you thing this board would be allowed to operate?

If someone molests a child nail them to the wall but talking about it, no matter how much it upsets the rest of us is not and should not be a crime. Actions, not thoughts, are crimes.

[Morning Glory]

I don't think anyone of rational mind is calling for the outlaw of every socially inacceptible thing. the question is two things. first of all what the majority of people would agree to be unreasonable. sure some people think that michelangelo was a pervert for painting nude figures. those people are not in the majority. the second is an issue of personal freedom. consensual anal sex outisde of the bonds of marriage... while some folks wouldn't agree with it, it doesn't violate anyone elses freedom.

physical violence against another person is unacceptible in both of these categories. (some may argue, but I like getting spanked, etc. well that is seldom life threateningand if that is causing injuries that you need to be hospitalized for, then yeah it's abusive and unhealthy, and far beyond "kinky".)

You all know how I feel on the subject. if you don't here is a refresher: I don't believe that you should have the right to freely commit an act which violates other peoples freedom. this includes a disruption of a persons self of well being, threats and intimidation (IE: not purely physical acts) disrupt a persons right to feel safe and secure and thus violates thier freedom.

lastly on the subject of the arguement: "well what they say and what they do are two seperate things" is primarily based on the assumption that a reasonable person can tell the difference between right and wrong, and considers one thing to be wrong and another not to be... do you think a person that gets gratication from the idea of raping kids(that is exactly what it is, and nothing else, because no sexual actvity is going to be consented by a five year old) and doing worse things fits this description of a rational individual that can comprehend a difference between something being right and something else being wrong?

[Flip]

im with the clown

ditto

[OliX]

....You all know how I feel on the subject. if you don't here is a refresher: I don't believe that you should have the right to freely commit an act which violates other peoples freedom. this includes a disruption of a persons self of well being, threats and intimidation (IE: not purely physical acts) disrupt a persons right to feel safe and secure and thus violates thier freedom......

hhhm... one of freshest cases I've readed about in papers (there are many )with 30 years old man being jailed for having sex with 13 year old girl even when she said in court that she was ok with it.... What's your opinion on that, does it stay same like one I quoted.... I hope not

freedom is a relative thing... maybe amongst most relative things ever...

[Tequila Zaire]

hhhm... one of freshest cases I've readed about in papers (there are many )with 30 years old man being jailed for having sex with 13 year old girl even when she said in court that she was ok with it.... What's your opinion on that, does it stay same like one I quoted.... I hope not

freedom is a relative thing... maybe amongst most relative things ever...

Well that is quite a diffrent matter actually, I think any of us who have studied even basic world history know that up untill LATE last century an "older" man could marry a woman as young as 15...and in some states in the U.S. still can. Also it was not uncommon for 14 year olds to be married to men old enough to be their father...social expectations and societies around the world still practice that...just like some still practiced the act of allowing one to marry their FIRST cousin.

However none of that is what one gets from the members of the community I listed. For them the persuit of young girls is very predatory and clearly a fixation for SEXUAL gratification not an emotional one...let alone anything to do with social and historical traditions.

That's where the diffrences really begin to take shape and while not 100% in all cases one has to really look at each case and decide what was consensual, what was manipulation, and what was clear violation?

It's a tough issue and one far more prevalent than many wish to admit too.

[OliX]

well the thing is she also wanted just sex...nothing else, no relationtip, nothing.... that's was scariest ...
where is this world going?!