this made me cry...

[mmmcherry]

so someone on... that site we dont like.. heh... posted this as a bulletin... made me cry... i hope to god this bill doesnt go thru... theres no horrible images or anything, but it made me cry. i hope i can fit it all in one post...


"Rep. Wesselhoft said the proposed bill will also include provisions designed to bring about an eventual ban of pit bull dogs in the state.
The grandfather clause contained in the bill would allow for the continuing existence of pit bulls currently in Oklahoma. However, pit bull owners would have to have the dogs spayed or neutered, and the animals would need regular rabies shots.
In addition, a pit bull owner would have to be age 21 or older and would be required to have a $100,000 liability insurance policy on every pit bull.
Also, each pit bull would have to be tattooed or otherwise marked when it is registered with the state. Owners would not be able to sell or transfer the dogs to other individuals in Oklahoma, excluding family members. And a person living in Oklahoma will not be able to bring in a new pit bull from out of state.
After those pit bulls that are allowed to remain in Oklahoma under the grandfather clause of the proposed bill die of old age, Wesselhoft said there should be very few pit bulls remaining in the state, if any."
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If you have any heart at all, fwd this to everyone on your friends list. Hit reply to sender, copy all of the code, and paste it into a new bulletin. There has to be an end to this.lLOOK ET

[mmmcherry]

damn all the photos never showed up... but if you go to www.sorryagain.com you can watch the music video they made, and pictures that people have sent in... its really sad... made me cry.
god i usually dont cry at stuff like this... i must be pregnant or something. i wish i could move to the states just so i could vote no on this fuckin bill. its so retarded.

[sheramil]

what, no more pit bulls?

(Bugs Bunny voice) weeeeeewwy?

[Stargazer]

Ah next doors pitbull ragged my cat and we had to have her put down it also butted a hole in our fence and is a constant nusance. I personally wouldn't mind if the become banned just because of my personal experience but im sure there are alot of people who find love and affection in them. I'd hate it if cats were banned :-|

[kellie]

I had my face bittin by a put bull when I was a kid. I had to have plastic surgeon put my jaw back on.
But then I had 2 pittbulls as pets for close to 5 years much later on. I had to give my girl pitt to my parents, because my roomates could not handle her. Now my parents love her so much they wont give her back. My other pitt accidently hung himself with his collar.
I think it all has to do with the owners.
Its sad.

[Bondage Clown]

Unfortunately i can find the news article, but just recently here in Wa, there were a couple of kids that were trying to jack this pitt's and the dogs turned ion the kids... Ploce showed up nad thought the dogs were attacking the kids, and shot and killed the dogs...

TO make matters worse, the kids lied to the cops, telling them that those were their dogs, and the owner arrived home 3 minutes or so after the shooting.

Those kids should have been shot... The dogs were in a kennel, behind a chainlink-fence.

I agree it is all about the owners.. I personally would never own a pitt, but that is my personal decision.. I will never stop someone from owning though...

BC

(currently has a midget dressed as a dog, his name is spot.. and he just peed on the carpet.. Time for the newspaper beating...)

[sheramil]

my mum's dog never mauled anyone.

primarily because she's a Papillon - a cross between a King Charles Spaniel and a Chihuahua. she's about the size of a small cat.

[TheDeathKnight]

See, the thing is that some pets are dangerous, and others are not.

A cat will never be able to kill someone.
Neither will a chihuahua.
Or a fish.
Or a chinchilla.
Etc...

Some pets are safe, others are not.

I think it's totally reasonable to make people follow specific
safety guidelines, the same as if you wanted to own a bobcat,
or a tiger, or a wolf, etc...

If the animal can kill people, it needs to be regulated.

What if your child, or your parent, were killed by someone's pit bull?
Would you care about the owner's love for the dog, or how nice the
dog was 90% of the time? No. It can kill, and they do. I know they can
be properly trained, just like you can properly train a tiger, or a bear.
But that does not mean they don't have some natural wild tendencies.

[One Eyed Cat]

Unfortunately i can find the news article, but just recently here in Wa, there were a couple of kids that were trying to jack this pitt's and the dogs turned ion the kids... Ploce showed up nad thought the dogs were attacking the kids, and shot and killed the dogs...

TO make matters worse, the kids lied to the cops, telling them that those were their dogs, and the owner arrived home 3 minutes or so after the shooting.

Those kids should have been shot... The dogs were in a kennel, behind a chainlink-fence.

I agree it is all about the owners.. I personally would never own a pitt, but that is my personal decision.. I will never stop someone from owning though...

BC

(currently has a midget dressed as a dog, his name is spot.. and he just peed on the carpet.. Time for the newspaper beating...)

The kids should have been prosecuted for animal cruelty. That's just pathetic.

OEC

[One Eyed Cat]

damn all the photos never showed up... but if you go to www.sorryagain.com you can watch the music video they made, and pictures that people have sent in... its really sad... made me cry.
god i usually dont cry at stuff like this... i must be pregnant or something. i wish i could move to the states just so i could vote no on this fuckin bill. its so retarded.

Not all states are like Oklahoma. It is pretty sad to see.

OEC

btw: When do you Canadians intend to stop clubbing baby seals to death?

[morbid_lady]

Pit bull bans are part of breed specific legislation....and it doesnt work...and in fact can be very dangerous and can give people a false sense of sercurity by letting them think that only certain breeds are dangerous while any dog can be dangerous....we had to do an essay in school over something that was 'a current controversial issue in Canada today' so i did the pit bull ban....if anyone would like to know y BSL doesnt work and better ways to stop dog attacks all together i'll send ya my essay

this has already happened in ontario....i own one of the dogs that was specified in the bill....an English Staffordshire Terrier....i've almost gotten obessive over wanting to get rid of this law....

[Stargazer]

Did you know that animals have different accents? Like if you listen to a bird in yorkshire it has a different tone in its voice to the same breed of bird down in norfolk... so i wonder what a canadian staffy sounds like to an english staffy... *strokes chin*

[Morning Glory]

this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard in my life. why don't we go to zoos and wipe out all the animals there, because pretty much all of them have the potential to harm people. ugh, there's nothing wrong with animals, it's because people fuck with them that they attack. there isn't an animal that will indiscrimiantly attack someone for no reason, they just don't do that. that's only people that do that. they are the one's that need to be fucking sterilized.

[TheDeathKnight]

That's bullshit.

Some dogs ARE aggressive, without provocation.
They see small things, like cats, or children, and prey,
and their natural instinct is to chase, bite, and shake...

Dogs are descended from wolves.
Wolves don't need a deer to fuck with it before they chase it and bite it.
It's just their natural instinct to attack.

Dogs have the instinct to bite, and chase.
You have to train them not to.
Untrained dogs *are* dangerous.
ALL untrained dogs.
Even little ones, if they are not trained,
will bite you.

[morbid_lady]

That's bullshit.

Some dogs ARE aggressive, without provocation.
They see small things, like cats, or children, and prey,
and their natural instinct is to chase, bite, and shake...

Dogs are descended from wolves.
Wolves don't need a deer to fuck with it before they chase it and bite it.
It's just their natural instinct to attack.

Dogs have the instinct to bite, and chase.
You have to train them not to.
Untrained dogs *are* dangerous.
ALL untrained dogs.
Even little ones, if they are not trained,
will bite you.

exactly....everyone will say little dogs are no threat....my ass....small dogs such as chiwawas and shi tzus have been known to attack and seriously harm and in some cases kill small children...

[morbid_lady]

Not all states are like Oklahoma. It is pretty sad to see.

OEC

btw: When do you Canadians intend to stop clubbing baby seals to death?

probably not any time soon....unless u can think of any other type of economical gain there is to make in nunavut...

[TheDeathKnight]

Just to clarify, I think people should be able to have these kind of dogs.

But if officials determine the dog is not properly trained, and restrained,
then you lose the dog. They should be on leashes when outside,
and you need to have the ability to control your dog. Wild and
aggressive dogs should be taken away from their owners.

If your dog is nice, and well-trained, I have no problem with it.

[Vitorro]

I have to wonder, just when did we give politicians the GODLIKE power to basically order the genoside of a species on earth?

[One Eyed Cat]

probably not any time soon....unless u can think of any other type of economical gain there is to make in nunavut...

The revenue from seal hunts comprise just 0.06% of Newfoundland's economy

“Using the government and industry’s own statistics, the estimated landed value of the 2003 seal hunt has decreased by some 35 per cent from 2002, with pelt prices dropping by a whopping 29 per cent,” stated Rebecca Aldworth, campaigner for IFAW.

This estimated revenue drop contrasts sharply with Newfoundland’s thriving economy. The province’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is projected to grow by 5.4 per cent in 2003 to a record $16.845 billion, making this year’s estimated landed value of the seal pelts and oil at a tiny 0.06 per cent of estimated GDP.
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=13280

The Canadian Government subsidizes the seal hunts.
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=562

Hunt the People, Save the Seals

In essence, the Canadian taxpayer is funding the seal hunts. It is not an economically viable industry. The more common argument is to appeal to the "tradition" of clubbing seals to death. Utterly ridiculous. The "cod-herring" argument has also been debunked.
The hunt should be for the depraved Newfoundlanders who make such arguments.




OEC

[One Eyed Cat]

I have to wonder, just when did we give politicians the GODLIKE power to basically order the genoside of a species on earth?

Ultimately, they simply arrogated it to themselves.

OEC

[gothic rose]

that would be a big problem here almost everyone own atleast one pit

[Morning Glory]

That's bullshit.

wrong. yes, it is thier natural instict to hunt for food. I didn't say that dogs aren't agrresive, I said that they don't do things maliciously and for no reason. as I stated above, that's a pretty good reason. yes a wolf will attack a deer, but a pack of wolves won't attack a deer and then just leave the carcass there. they attack them because they realy on them for food, and for no other reason. to a predatory animal a small furry creature coming near there mouth is what looks like food to them. also since they eat things that are smaller then them, they have a tendancy to think that thigns that are larger then they are might try to eat them. this really isn't shcoking, considering that we pretty much do eat all the animals, I'm surprised they trust us at all. It's really people's fault for taking animals and expecting them to behave just like humans.

[TheDeathKnight]

Exactly.

They are animals.

We train them and domesticate them into pets.

If you fail to train your *animals*, they will be just that. Animals.
With the chance they will hunt, bite, kill, just like they are supposed to do.

People treat their pets, and animals in general, like their friends.
A dog is a trained version of a wolf, or a wild dog.

If you have a big yard, with an untrained pit bull in it,
and a little kid runs across the yard, that dog will
probably chase and kill the child based on instinct.
It's not the dog's fault. That's what dogs do.

But I understand parents wanting to protect their kids.
If you have a potentially dangerous pet, you need to keep
it chained up, and under control. If not, you should not
get to keep it.

I am all for people owning tigers, lions, or anything else
they want to, as long as they do it safely...

[Morning Glory]

right on. now I'm not really down for animal owenrship, but like I said, nuetur the owner, not the dog. It's totally thier fault for not taking the neccesary safety precaustions, just like anything else, if you left a loaded gun around a kid, you should be held accountable.

[Eva:Gina]

if your gonna ban pit bulls it sort of follows the same logic that you ban guns
i think strict strict control on pit bulls is a good thing.
that said, those little jack russels or whatever they are are fucking visous too, it doesnt matter if your an adult, but a kid or another small dog is screwed

[SiouxsieQunt]

Yes, Pit bulls do have a reputation for being "vicious" but isn't it the same for humans? C'mon do the math how many people do humans kill every year VS pit bulls? The whole idea of destroying a breed of animals makes me sick to my stomache and I want to buy every pitbull in this country.

[mmmcherry]

i can see both sides of this pretty clearly... yeah i dont think that breed specific legislation should be in effect, cause to me thats just stupid...
but yeah also dogs CAN be dangerous, sometimes even when unprovoked, like when a kid or something is running away from it... dogs just chase things, its instincts. but if you can control your dog if its even slightly vicious, then do it, and everything should be fine. not all stereotypically vicious dogs are vicious though, and to not let people have their dogs like that is retarded...
i used to live next door to people that owned 2 huge dogs... they werent pittbulls, but similar... starts with an M i think, i dunno. but they were pretty vicious, and my dog, being a friendly little curious dog, would always be over at the fence trying to say hi and investigate these dogs, and these ones would try to attack thru the fence! those were the "monster" dogs in the neighborhood, but their owners kept them under control pretty well... well, except for the constant barking, SO annoying, but yeah.
but yeah if you can prove that your dog isnt going to kill someones child or someone elses pet, then you should be allowed to keep it, no matter what breed it is. ive met plenty of people with the kinds of dogs that are on the breed specific legistation thing, and theyre dogs are total sweethearts.
then wehn i was a kid my grandmother had this fuckin poodle... that thing tried to bite me every time i went near it. evil poodle.

[Mr Karl]

pit bulls were actually banned in toronto a little while ago, at least I think so, they are really wierd dogs though.

[mmmcherry]

yeah i heard last nite theyre actualy illegal in australia... like to own one its illegal... but my buddy's neighbors have 2... wtf?

heh actually i just remembered that was reubs that told me that...

[Stargazer]

I have to wonder, just when did we give politicians the GODLIKE power to basically order the genoside of a species on earth?

about the same time that they allowed cross breeding of different dogs to form what we know as a pittbull today?

[darkcerberus_25]

To be honest this is no differant than the freedom rights from segrigation. The only differance is its a differant species. All that that bill says to me is we are going to segrigate dogs now. Hell I have a friend has 2 pits, 3 little kids, and 5 cats and the pits most agresive act, is licking a person. Hell they would like someone breaking into her house. I agree it is all on the owner, how ever the animal is treated that is what is imprinted as right and wrong. Its just like rasing a child you have to watch how oyu do certin things. I think that this so called bill should be shreded burned and dusted and burned again. So we go back to branding numbers reminds me of WW2, the only differance is its not people its pets. I am all for safty but as a breeder I say that for every person that signs yes they should try it out for then selves. Have the brand on them, see how they like it. I bet they may think twice befor wanting to cause that on some one or somthing else.

[Clifton_Fury]

pit bulls have been regulated in the UK for about 10 years now, but it doesnt stop people getting similar dogs. Since kids over here stopped getting mauled by pit bulls, they are now mauled instead by bull terriers, mastiffs, boxers etc. Its not the dog that is particularly the problem, it is the way they are treated. Any dog will attack if given training, the only thing is psychotic bastards dont tend to think a labrador or a collie gives them quite enough compensation for their small dicks as dog that has been bred to fight. I know plenty of people with perfectly calm and well adjusted 'problem dogs', as well as i know loads of people with 'docile dogs' that are vicious little bastards. Its not the breed that needs to be regulated, but the owners and breeders. Its not the same as bringing up kids, a dog will have probably 2 major influences on its life, its parent and its owner. Most dogs are bought and trained by owners as puppies, so if they make them vicious and unhinged, why should they be allowed another dog to fuck up when there first has snapped and attacked someon (or something. My dog was attacked by a vicious dog in the park and almost died, leaving her a nervous wreck. The culprit was a black labrador). The best idea that actually worked was muzzling problem dogs while in public, and that has alleviated the problem almost entirely.

[mmmcherry]

yeah i agree with both clifton and darkcerberus... (and love your avatar btw, foamy kicks ass)
any dog can be a problem dog if brought up to be that way...

[TheDeathKnight]

It's not about pit bulls. It's about dogs in general.
People need to keep them under control.
If you've got a sweet, well-trained, non-aggressive pit bull,
then no problem. But if you've got an aggro, aggressive
pit bull, or any other dog, that is not trained, then you
should lose the dog. You should need a license to have
an aggressive dog, just like if you want to own a bobcat,
or lion, or wolf, or any other dangerous animal. If you
want to keep aggressive animals, you need to prove that
you have them secured and enclosed at all times.

[mmmcherry]

exactly... you need a licence to own any dog actually, at least in canada... heh and its different in every city... we learned that one after we moved and the police actually told us that. they were just going door to door i think... who knows why.

[darkcerberus_25]

Licence or not a person shouldn't get a pet, or any animal for that matter that they can't train or take proper care of. Just because the animal is cool to the social norm. its somthing they want befor they understand what they have to do for it. The animal isn't trained and then attacks. The message said tattoo numbers, Hell this is what I think for every owners that can't take care of there problems they get to be registerd and numbered. Most of all the leg. should. If they see what they are doing they may see what they are doing.

[darkcerberus_25]

oh and thanks cherry, Foamy is lord LoL

[darkcerberus_25]

I have a petition started on-line but need help to post it. Th site won't let me post it for this page. The way I see it Ok. is only the start. I sure as hell don't want it to hit my state. Don't know If you want it in yours ether. Any help would be great.

[mmmcherry]

i think you need 25 posts at least to be able to post a link... after that youre okay
i think number tattooing on dogs is good, cause what if your nice dog gets lost? someone finds it and matches up the numbers and you get your dog back... but yeah... i totally agree with "if you cant control a pet you shouldnt be able to own it" kinda thing. common sense.