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    http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/21/naomi-wolf-on-colber.html




    Naomi Wolf on Colbert Report: 10 steps to fascism



    Posted by Mark Frauenfelder, September 21, 2007 3:43 PM | permalink

    Naomi Wolf was on The Colbert Report last night talking about her book, The End of America, A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot, which outlines ten steps that "fascist, totalitarian, and other repressive leaders [employ to] seize and maintain power, especially in what were once democracies.”
    1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
    2. Create a gulag
    3. Develop a thug caste
    4. Set up an internal surveillance system
    5. Harass citizens' groups
    6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
    7. Target key individuals
    8. Control the press
    9. Dissent equals treason
    10. Suspend the rule of law

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    Check on numbers 1-8

    ...still working on 9...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Friendly
    Check on numbers 1-8

    ...still working on 9...
    I think they redefined it. Treasonous dissent is too romantic, so dissent equals terrorism now. Check.

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    by that definition there has never been a fascist state, because all of them still had laws. how could you have a fascist state with no laws? then people would be able to do whatever they wanted to, not what the state tells them to do.

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    I think it mean to suspend the rule of the law as it suits the ruling party

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    That list reads like a RATM song and I bet Naomi Wolf has a secret Che Guevara tattoo.

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    "are you or have you ever been a member of the fascist party?"...is there gonna be another red scare or something? lol

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    http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

    Go there. Watch it. Learn something. If you've already seen it, tell someone else about it.

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    I don't really like that video because it's a like "hey, kids, get all your conspiracy theories neatly wrapped up in one video!" I can respect the people that made the video, because they put in the research for it, but for the lazy people that get their ideas from watching it, I don't really want to be associated with them.

    when I saw it I said, yeah? so what? I already knew about all this stuff years ago. I know you have to start somewhere, and people don't just know this stuff because obviously you won't hear it in school and on CNN, but I guess I just feel like anyone who is really interested in it should know it by now because they would have put in the effort to look into it, and anyone who hasn't must not really care all that much.

    Now I've known a few people that really were clueless and they never heard any alternative POV's until they saw videos like this, and now they consider themselves champions for the radical cause. But there is an underlying problem here because now those people believe that the only alternative radical thinking comes from video projects like this, so they don't put in the effort to really think for themselves and they believe everything that they hear from people who claim to be "anti-government" when some of those people are just as bad or worse then what we have and they just want to put themselves in power.

    I always say to all these "9/11 truthers" have you ever considered that maybe the conspiracy was propagated BY the government as just another means of disinformation?

    they used to say "never trust anyone over 30". But if you still think that way once you hit 30 your motto will be "never trust anyone. ever. and especially don't trust the people that are trying to get you to believe what they say."

    If you are right, then you will be content in that knowledge and you won't have to try and convince everyone else of the fact to validate it.

    I know that i'm ranting here, but ron paul is not revolutionary. saying that we should be able to choose from A,B and C instead of just A and B ( or just A) is not revolutionary. that's just liberal. Real revolution would be choosing A, B, C, X and Purple, not to mention None of the above.

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    i thought this was kinda interesting.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26361151/

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    Control the press hmmm Democrat party....
    Right might have Am radio..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusk
    I think it mean to suspend the rule of the law as it suits the ruling party
    THE SEVEN COMMANDMENTS:

    7. All animals are equal

    --------

    For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single Commandment. It ran:

    ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
    BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

    --------

    "Comrades!" he cried. "You do not imagine, I hope, that we pigs are doing
    this in a spirit of selfishness and privilege? Many of us actually dislike
    milk and apples. I dislike them myself. Our sole object in taking these
    things is to preserve our health. Milk and apples (this has been proved by
    Science, comrades) contain substances absolutely necessary to the
    well-being of a pig. We pigs are brainworkers. The whole management and
    organisation of this farm depend on us. Day and night we are watching over
    your welfare. It is for YOUR sake that we drink that milk and eat those
    apples. Do you know what would happen if we pigs failed in our duty? Jones
    would come back! Yes, Jones would come back! Surely, comrades," cried
    Squealer almost pleadingly, skipping from side to side and whisking his
    tail, "surely there is no one among you who wants to see Jones come back?"

    Now if there was one thing that the animals were completely certain of, it
    was that they did not want Jones back. When it was put to them in this
    light, they had no more to say. The importance of keeping the pigs in good
    health was all too obvious. So it was agreed without further argument that
    the milk and the windfall apples (and also the main crop of apples when
    they ripened) should be reserved for the pigs alone.

    Animal Farm - George Orwell

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    Added one.

    1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
    2. Create a gulag
    3. Develop a thug caste
    4. Set up an internal surveillance system
    5. Harass citizens' groups
    6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
    7. Target key individuals
    8. Control the press
    9. Dissent equals treason
    10. Remove ability for population to defend itself.
    11. Suspend the rule of law

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