Tattoos vs. Piercings vs. Plastic Surgery

[Nudemuse]

I'm all for body mods be it plastic surgery, tats, scarification, branding blablabla. What I think is unfortunate in both the cases of tattoos and plastic surgery is that, people want to always assume there's some bit societal pressure you've caved into that made you go out and get new boobs or a new tat or a ring through your nostril. In both cases I think there are some people for whom the body mods become an obsession, however there are a lot of people for whom it's not such a big deal.

I get very tired of hearing people railing against plastic surgery or other body mods. If it isn't your body why get all up in arms about it? Too many people will just jump to conclusions instead of just asking someone, 'hey howcome you got a boobjob/nosejob/lipo/tattoo/Prince Albert whatever. I think if people would take more time to just talk to each other about it there'd be a hell of a lot more understanding.

[karyn]

I'm all for body mods be it plastic surgery, tats, scarification, branding blablabla. What I think is unfortunate in both the cases of tattoos and plastic surgery is that, people want to always assume there's some bit societal pressure you've caved into that made you go out and get new boobs or a new tat or a ring through your nostril. In both cases I think there are some people for whom the body mods become an obsession, however there are a lot of people for whom it's not such a big deal.

I get very tired of hearing people railing against plastic surgery or other body mods. If it isn't your body why get all up in arms about it? Too many people will just jump to conclusions instead of just asking someone, 'hey howcome you got a boobjob/nosejob/lipo/tattoo/Prince Albert whatever. I think if people would take more time to just talk to each other about it there'd be a hell of a lot more understanding.

Exactly. I do not have much interest in this sort of thing, but when people start telling me I am not allowed or they will look at me with disgust, it makes me want to go get work done on my body just to prove they do not own it.

[BrightStar]

I agree completely.

[tatdownthere]

i dont really like fake boobs because theyr feel funnywhen i touch them but its your body and it know people somethims don;t approve of my tattoos and where i have them and i dont care what tehye think

[Nautilus]

I get very tired of hearing people railing against plastic surgery or other body mods. If it isn't your body why get all up in arms about it? Too many people will just jump to conclusions instead of just asking someone, 'hey howcome you got a boobjob/nosejob/lipo/tattoo/Prince Albert whatever. I think if people would take more time to just talk to each other about it there'd be a hell of a lot more understanding.

Hey good idea--I'll just ask. So, why do you get boob jobs ladies?

[BrightStar]

I also prefer natural boobs.

[HelenaHotpants]

I'm all for body mods be it plastic surgery, tats, scarification, branding blablabla. What I think is unfortunate in both the cases of tattoos and plastic surgery is that, people want to always assume there's some bit societal pressure you've caved into that made you go out and get new boobs or a new tat or a ring through your nostril. In both cases I think there are some people for whom the body mods become an obsession, however there are a lot of people for whom it's not such a big deal.

I get very tired of hearing people railing against plastic surgery or other body mods. If it isn't your body why get all up in arms about it? Too many people will just jump to conclusions instead of just asking someone, 'hey howcome you got a boobjob/nosejob/lipo/tattoo/Prince Albert whatever. I think if people would take more time to just talk to each other about it there'd be a hell of a lot more understanding.

Like always gorgeous, beautifully said. Could not agree more. Then again, we always sit around talking about if I had money I would do such and such and such. As long as we are happy with it, screw everyone else.

[Amethyst]

I think no one is justified to say what person can do to himself, and this counts from using sucar in coffee to suicide. I think people have again started things from wrong head of the rope. Don't preach to people how tattoos or piercings or fake boobs are unnecessary and bad. Try to solve what are the reasons she/he is doing them from if you really really think the person is doing wrong and from wrong reasons. Normaly I would say it's totally peoples own personal matter what they do, but I think that 18years old taking fake boobs to get working on hooters is pritty sad. Thought I think that for someone those fake boobs can be right choice when you remember it's her world not yours. I think people should be more selfconfident and this is thing you can preach about. Well not preach but make people understand everything isn't about every fucking idiot at bar liking you because you have big breasts. I think often it might be just self-deception. I wouldn't want my friends to be my friends just because I had large penis or something. One thing I am sure, it's not gonna give you true love. But if that isn't what your are trying to achieve with it, and it really is your personal choice who am I to say it's wrong. People can't be individuals if they don't have a freedom of choice. Sorry I being disordered and everything, but I hope you can get my point, I am not sure if I can.

And sorry I still have to do this:
"It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom, that's what it is." - Bill Hicks

[Histrionica]

It's been a little disconcerting to read all the grand generalisations that have been flying around. Body mods of any kind are neither good nor bad, IMO. People's reasons/motivations are what would be good or bad - and yet it is not my place to judge that. I leave it to the individual considering the modification, and to the person who would be doing it. Together, i hope they make the best decision.

By the way, i myself had a shitload of plastic surgery. And none of you could even begin to know the reason why. It was one of the best things i've ever done for myself, and i am saving to have some more done. If you want to judge me as vain or superficial as a result of this information, that is certainly your choice. But i assure you that you would be missing out on knowing one helluva woman, should you do so.

And one more thing?

My tits feel fantastic.



~Histrionica~

[Nudemuse]

Hey good idea--I'll just ask. So, why do you get boob jobs ladies?

My boobs are real but, I wouldn't be averse to getting my girls lifted a bit. Or if they were quite uneven I'd get an implant to make em the same size.

I wouldn't want to get my boobs lifted for society or so people don't look at my boobs funny, but because it bothers me and since they are my boobs, I would have them adjusted a little. I don't recommend it for everyone, but like others have said, it's yours do what you want with it.

Aaaand Histrionica since you say your tits feel fantastic, can I make a strictly for science test feel. Just a little one

[TheDeathKnight]

I think the clear difference is in the psychology of the person doing the mod.
And it is easy to tell if they are doing it for the wrong reasons.
I have tattoos, and I like them. Every day I like them. I like myself. It's all good.
I did not get tattoos, as a way to boost my self-esteem, or to feel better about myself.
I did it to be artistic, creative, and because I enjoy how it looks...

But people who get plastic surgery often do so to help improve their self-image.
But the problem with that, is that time is a bitch. It keeps creeping...
My tattoos may fade a bit over the years. But I won't dislike them.
I won't get new ones, or redo them, because they faded...

But the trap with plastic surgery, is that it can become an endless
battle to turn back the clock, and stay looking 18 forever.
Then you end up looking like Michael Jackson.
Or any number of creepy older celebrities that have had too much done.

I agree that if something makes you happy, do it.
But I also think that people can get into a losing battle with time,
when they start doing plastic surgery. I guess you can just do a little
here and there, and feel better, and it will delay the day that you have
to accept your age...

But when it comes to boob jobs, etc, I think those are probably a bit more
like tattoos. Where you get up each day, and you are happy with your boobs.
It's not a battle against fat, or against feeling old. It's just an improvement.

So I suppose it has a lot to do with the person, and how they view it.

[Histrionica]

But the trap with plastic surgery, is that it can become an endless
battle to turn back the clock, and stay looking 18 forever.
Then you end up looking like Michael Jackson.
Or any number of creepy older celebrities that have had too much done.

I don't see how that's different from the people who have -in my opinion- taken body modding waaaay too far. I've seen many kids who've had so much done that i can't even tell what they look like under all of it.

But again, to me that is their body, therefore their choice. VIVE LE DIFFERENCE!

Oh, and Nudemuse? If i'm ever in Seattle i guarantee you a gander and a grope.



~Histrionica~

[TheDeathKnight]

Yep... You are correct.

Some people do body mods, to feel better, or for attention.
Or they like the pain.

So in both cases, people can do it for the wrong reasons...

[pedar]

[QUOTE=
But people who get plastic surgery often do so to help improve their self-image.
But the problem with that, is that time is a bitch. It keeps creeping...
My tattoos may fade a bit over the years. But I won't dislike them.
I won't get new ones, or redo them, because they faded...

But the trap with plastic surgery, is that it can become an endless
battle to turn back the clock, and stay looking 18 forever.
Then you end up looking like Michael Jackson.
Or any number of creepy older celebrities that have had too much done.

I agree that if something makes you happy, do it.
But I also think that people can get into a losing battle with time,
when they start doing plastic surgery. I guess you can just do a little
here and there, and feel better, and it will delay the day that you have
to accept your age...

But when it comes to boob against feeling old. It's just an improvement.

So I suppose it has a lot to do with the person, and how they view it.[/QUOTE]


To be fair to M. Jackson- his surgery was not at all age related- supposedly it was because of this skin spotting disease he had..but also his obviously obsessive need to have a 'white' nose-- P.

[Jax]

Why do people who are all gung ho into say tattoos get disgusted by liposuction? Why do people where every woman over 40 in their family gets a facelift cringe when they see a tongue piercing?

Lol, its pretty funny isnt it;p Same concept...beautify the body.

[Jax]

NNNNOOOOO! Another pair of beautiful titties lost to fucking sacks of shit. Please reconsider. Why do people think big boobs are prettier than natural boobs? There is more to boobs than size! I personally prefer natural breasts and it breaks my heart to see so many fakes out there. Can I get an A cup or a B? NO. I am deprived my breast preference by all pornography It looks so freaky--these slender little things with D cups. They look like they're about to break in half. The back pain must be excruciating!!!

Im sorry, but what is the difference between bigger boobs and tats/piercings? Both are done by the person to make themselves more attractive to their own standards (or I hope). I am also getting implants, but Im only going to a full B cup. No Ds on this little frame;p

[Jax]

I kind of mentioned that also, but left out a lot of details.

There is no peer pressure to get the Tatoos. The only reason I dont have tatoos yet is :

A: father and grandmother
B: Money, and also finding a good Artist.
C: Deciding where to place the tatoo.

I am thinking of getting the Symbol in My Avatar as a tatoo. Probably on My Arm, Chest, or Forehead, but I dont know where yet.

DO NOT get the tattoo on your forehead. Coming from someone who has had facial tattoos and also have tattoos now above the neck, you REALLY want to think about it for a LONG time before you do it. Just words from the wise.

[BrightStar]

Was Rimmer that Bald Guy with the Faceted head with the Teal clothing?

[TheDeathKnight]

Michael Jackson is a good example of somone with psychological insecurities, that he tried to deal with, by modifying himself. He felt ugly, and unhappy about his looks, even though he was a pretty normal looking guy to begin with. His dad used to call him "Big Nose" all the time, and that affected his self-image. But the problem with people who do plastic surgery, or other mods, is that sometimes they are trying to feel better about themselves, when perhaps they can feel better by dealing with their internal issues, rather than continuing to change their appearance. MJ looks like such a freak now, because each nose job did not fix his emotional damage. He still felt bad about himself. So he kept doing more surgery. Now he has to keep doing more surgery, to repair the damage he did. He made his problem worse, and now he probably feels even more insecure about how he looks than he did to begin with. And he looks worse now too. But when it is just someone getting a tat, or getting some boobs, and they are happy about it, then it's fine. I think the key question would be if the person is ok with themselves to start with. If so, there is nothing wrong with enhancements.

[TheDeathKnight]

And yeah, don't get a tattoo on your forehead.

Until you know what kind of life you are going to have, and what kind of person you are going to be, it is best not to mark yourself permanantly in a obvious place.

If you end up really wanting to be a teacher someday, you might find out that
you have a hard time getting hired.

But if you are fine with accepting that people may not approve of you,
then go for it. But most people do not realize that it will affect their
life. I would not consider fully-visible tattoos, until you are sure you
are going to have a career that does not care about things like that.
The tattoo is there for life. So you may think you will be a rock star
now. But if that does not work out, and you decide later you want
to work on computers, you might have a hard time getting a job.

I think tattoos are a great way to express who you are, and your personality.
But I still think it is wise to be able to cover them up when you need to...

At least until you are older, and you can decide for sure that you are ok
with being seen in a certain way, and treated in a certain way.

If you want to see what it is like to have a tattoo on your forehead,
try drawing one on there, or putting a temp one there, or a henna one,
and see how people react to you...

[Nudemuse]

I don't see how that's different from the people who have -in my opinion- taken body modding waaaay too far. I've seen many kids who've had so much done that i can't even tell what they look like under all of it.

But again, to me that is their body, therefore their choice. VIVE LE DIFFERENCE!

Oh, and Nudemuse? If i'm ever in Seattle i guarantee you a gander and a grope.



~Histrionica~

All I'm gonna say is....

And I like boobies.

[karyn]

I hate womanhating societal standards of beauty but I hate other people telling me what I cannot do with my body more.

[keiko]

I've had this discussion before. Hte most logical answer my opponent could come up with is that plastic surgery costs thousands while one tattoo doesn't cost as much. Hence tattoos are considered "low class" while super rich socialites buy botox and lipo and face lifts and boobs and rhinoplasty, people who are content with the size and shape of their body spend less money on ink. It might have somehting to do also with the fact that for decades it was only sailors and criminals that had tattoos or peircings, but "ladies" always underwent different kinds of body modification (you know what wearing an 18" corset every day from the age twelve on up can do to your body?), still a class issue.

~~natulis~~ I'm in porn and my boobs are just as god gave them to me, perky pale B's. I've had so many people tell me they'll hate me for getting plastic ones. I'd only get little ones if my breast started sagging due to all the time I've spent not wearing a bra, but that's ages down the line.

On th esubject of tattoos, since that's also part of this topic, what would you say if I were to get one. I haven't previously gotten inked for several reasons, but I think that I might have made a decision on something I could want on my body for the rest of my life. Small, no bigger than an inch square and on the back of my neck where it can't easily be seen. What do you think?

K

[mrs jones]

Why is there a distinction between valid and less valid reasons for getting a tat/piercing/plastic surgery? By stating or guessing that one reason a person might choose such body mods (expression of individuality) is healthier, better, or cooler than someone else's possible reason (bad self-image, desire to conform to external pressures) a person is making a judgement that only discourages others' personal choices. (i.e. you can get a tat or a boob job but only if you're doing for the right reasons which i'll now tell you)

It is the judgement of others' motives for their choices that leads to intolerance of those choices; there is nothing inherent in the choices themselves that leads others to reject them.


That being said there should be no reason to believe that any one form of body modification is superior to any other or that anyone choosing any type of mod for themselves is making a wrong choice (that's their business only)

[Histrionica]

Why is there a distinction between valid and less valid reasons for getting a tat/piercing/plastic surgery? By stating or guessing that one reason a person might choose such body mods (expression of individuality) is healthier, better, or cooler than someone else's possible reason (bad self-image, desire to conform to external pressures) a person is making a judgement that only discourages others' personal choices. (i.e. you can get a tat or a boob job but only if you're doing for the right reasons which i'll now tell you)

It is the judgement of others' motives for their choices that leads to intolerance of those choices; there is nothing inherent in the choices themselves that leads others to reject them.


That being said there should be no reason to believe that any one form of body modification is superior to any other or that anyone choosing any type of mod for themselves is making a wrong choice (that's their business only)

Wow. That was just very well said. I sure hope to see you posting around here more often. Excellent points mrs jones - most salient.



~Histrionica~

[TheDeathKnight]

Awesome...

[Amelia G]

Why is there a distinction between valid and less valid reasons for getting a tat/piercing/plastic surgery? By stating or guessing that one reason a person might choose such body mods (expression of individuality) is healthier, better, or cooler than someone else's possible reason (bad self-image, desire to conform to external pressures) a person is making a judgement that only discourages others' personal choices. (i.e. you can get a tat or a boob job but only if you're doing for the right reasons which i'll now tell you)

It is the judgement of others' motives for their choices that leads to intolerance of those choices; there is nothing inherent in the choices themselves that leads others to reject them.


That being said there should be no reason to believe that any one form of body modification is superior to any other or that anyone choosing any type of mod for themselves is making a wrong choice (that's their business only)

You hit the nail on the head there. You are a most welcome addition to the board

[ANJ134]

for me tattoos and piercings are to mark a moment in my life and I decide to put in on my flesh. I suppose face lifts and other such surgeys can be portayed as the same thing. some people get to a certain age or moment and believe they need to physically adapt themselves to show this.
Many do surgey to better (in their minds) their appearance, to feel more confident and empowered.
self belief is an extremely important value, and if physical change aids this....then why not :-)
i do believe that many view piercings and tattoos as self destructive. People can see piercings as weapons invading their space, i know many people who find they expeirence physical pain just looking at someones piercings.
But each to their own I say, do it for you and dont worry what anyone else thinks.

sorry ...think i ranted heheheh

[TheDeathKnight]

Until your posts exceed the length of mine, then it is not ranting.

[MistressJennifer]

Plastic surgery, tattoos, I love it all!! I have had SO much plastic surgery!!! Now tattoos!!! I am totally addicted to plastic surgery. I want more stuff done...

[karyn]

Plastic surgery, tattoos, I love it all!! I have had SO much plastic surgery!!! Now tattoos!!! I am totally addicted to plastic surgery. I want more stuff done...

I think I would be scared to do anything drastic but if the rubber dollies and marquis photos forrest and amelia did of you show what you look like you haven't made any wrong turns yet

[TheDeathKnight]

You look fine.... What else would you want to do?

[Nautilus]

Im sorry, but what is the difference between bigger boobs and tats/piercings? Both are done by the person to make themselves more attractive to their own standards (or I hope). I am also getting implants, but Im only going to a full B cup. No Ds on this little frame;p

There's nothing wrong with getting whatever you want done, but I prefer the natural form. To be honnest, I think people are most beautiful with out tats or plastic surgery (and yet I like it when people dye their hair...there's no rhyme or reason to my likes I suppose )
I think flat chests are as beautiful as full breasts, but maybe this has something to do with my bi-sexuality and me likeing androgyny somewhat?

I think the most beautiful thing about being human is variety and the main reason why plastic surgery bothers me is that it seems like a way to reduce our unique qualities in an attempt to make us all closer to an ideal. To me, it is a way of conforming to that image of the thin, big breasted woman that all women are supposed to aspire to. Do what you like, by all means it is your right! But god I'll miss little boobies and bellies and booties and big noses when they're all gone as plasic surgery becomes more and more the norm.

[incog]

I like tattoos and wild looks but I love big breasts. Natural is fine but I've bought them for girls before too. Just really need to have a good doc and take care afterwards. That's my taste but everyone should make their own personal choice.

[MistressJennifer]

Well thank you! I would just maybe get some Restalyne, which is a more permanent line filler, and lasts a bit longer than collagen. It's very subtle, it just makes you look prettier. And maybe a light peel around my eyes for those fine lines.

I don't think I would do anything really big, my big tattoo is enough, boy it is really PAINFUL!!! AH! I have about 4 or 5 more sittings to go. But it is fun to have Paul Booth work on you, I love his shop, it's very dark and spooky.

[TheDeathKnight]

What artwork are you getting done? Is it going on your back?

[MistressJennifer]

My tattoo is directly on top of my implants, the FRONT. It is a sort of shaded, scroll-like thing, almost like waves. It starts from my shoulders and goes all across and down to my waist, and there is a little tiny cross!! I can't wait until it is finished.

It almost looks like a really ornate gown.

The thing is, it really looks best topless. I can't find anything to wear that shows it off that is sheer enough. I guess I will just have to walk around topless all the time...

[TheDeathKnight]

I doubt anyone will complain.

[incog]

I doubt anyone will complain.

I agree with TheDeathKnight on that.