Music Question.

[Ouroboros]

There's a trend I've detected. Punk and Goth seem to be rejoining lately, often with a hardcorish twist. This has spawned the appearance os such bands as From Autumn to Ashes, Atreyu, Funeral for a Friend, Chimaira and even A. F. I.
But what is this genre? Is it new? Am I nuts? What is it called?

... so, am I?

[Macabre_Dreams]

Yes.

[Ouroboros]

I knew it!

[Kidthorazine]

you forgot about good charlotte

[Ouroboros]

Don't like Good Charlotte. Too happy-punkish to fit the bill.

[postcoital]

If you ask me, this genre is called "If you listen to me, you're a generated monkeybutt and have no brains but as long as you give me money, I will show you what your parents don't want you to see".
My girlfriend likes AFI, though

[Kidthorazine]

i hate all the afformentioned bands esp good charlotte

[Ouroboros]

Well, I liked Davey Havok's looks, but that was it. Kind of a young, whinier Maynard James Keenan. And, about your dislike for the rest of the bands I mentioned, I really have no idea where it comes from. I think they sound sweet. Or... however you're soppused to phrase that.

[Kidthorazine]

i just dont really like hardcore im more of a gothic industrial/heavy metal guy

[Kidthorazine]

and those hardcore bands dont sound gothic at all to me

[Ouroboros]

Atreyu and From Autumn to Ashes don't sound gothic?
Maybe I'm thinking lyric-wise, then.

... I dunno.

[Tequila Zaire]

If you ask me, this genre is called "If you listen to me, you're a generated monkeybutt and have no brains but as long as you give me money, I will show you what your parents don't want you to see".
My girlfriend likes AFI, though

Sounds about right.

[postcoital]

Did I really write generated?.. Hmm.. too early in the morning, I guess. Was supposed to be degenerated :\

[Ouroboros]

Yeah, thought so.
Early in the morning? It's 4:02 am here? What's the time over there?

[postcoital]

Was about 11am when I posted

[Kidthorazine]

Atreyu and From Autumn to Ashes don't sound gothic?
Maybe I'm thinking lyric-wise, then.

... I dunno.

probably listen to some joy division they sound quite different from theese bands you mention

[Morning Glory]

yeah, none of those bands are really any of those things. AFI is kinda punk. I don't know the requirement's to be "gothic" since I don't know what goth music is. all the bands i've seen that people say are goth are either punk, pop, metal, or electronica. but I guess if wearing black makes you goth.
but yeah, I remember back when punk and hardcore meant bands like bad brains. hm. times have changed.

[Kidthorazine]

Goth bands: Bauhaus, Joy Division, Switchblade Symphony, NIN(sort of) Sisters of Mercy, David Bowie(sort of dont ask...) Skinny Puppy. theese are probably the more famous goth bands that you would listen to to get an idea of what goth sounds like and few of theese bands sound simmilar to each other

[Morning Glory]

i've never heard bahaus, but joy division I'd call new wave, skinny puppy and Switchbalde symphony are industrial (and lame, I might add) and bowie is well, he's bowie. haha

[Kidthorazine]

yeah but goth kind of encompases all that Bauhaus sonds more punk rock and nowadays younger goths listen to black metal too

[postcoital]

How could you forget Siouxsie and the Banshees?

[Tequila Zaire]

Goth bands: Bauhaus, Joy Division, Switchblade Symphony, NIN(sort of) Sisters of Mercy, David Bowie(sort of dont ask...) Skinny Puppy. theese are probably the more famous goth bands that you would listen to to get an idea of what goth sounds like and few of theese bands sound simmilar to each other

How the hell is Bowie goth? That's a hell of a stretch to make.

Skinny Puppy and NIN are industrial bands...goth scene pretty much stole em :P

[Kidthorazine]

im just running off bands everyones heard of

[Morning Glory]

what about the cure?

[Tequila Zaire]

what about the cure?

Can't have goth music without the Cure...

I love how a girls jaw drops when I tell em I'm not a fan...

[Morning Glory]

yeah, I moved up from bands that sing whiney songs about broken hearts. ok.. so not that far.. but bands that write not-quite-so whiney songs that are more metaphorical.. about broken hearts. conor oberst<3

[Kidthorazine]

good point but i dont really like the cure all that much either although i do sometimes do the robert smith thing with my hair

[Morning Glory]

if you want to talk about goth and punk then id say a good place to start would be with The Damned. (although, I'm not sure they'd say so.)

[Amelia G]

Where I come from, the whole Gothic thing was a subset of punk. Punks listened to NIN and Skinny Puppy and Ministry and Bauhaus and Sisters of Mercy. The music might be described as gothindustrial at the time, but it blew up in that scene. The whole goth as its own separate thing, in my opinion, has been mostly an internet phenomenon where people try really hard to define it and decide who is in and who is out. I feel like Gothic is an adjective and not a noun, ya know.

[Morning Glory]

yeah, like victor hugo n shit.

[Kidthorazine]

thats kinda what i was trying to say

[Pzychotic]

Being a little older, the Goth music scene actually spawned out of the collapse of the punk scene in the late 70's early 80's with the onslaught of such awesome bands as Bauhaus, The Love and Rockets, The Cure, Depeche Mode and so on... Then came along bands like NN, Skinny Puppy, Front 242 and the industrial set was formed... Times were simpler and there was no segragation of genre at the time... As for what is happening today with the "Punk/Hardcore", is nothing more then coming full circle...