What do you think should be the punishment for murder?

[grebo]

what about that loony woman who cut the baby out of the murdered mother? wot the fucks going on in her head?

[edgonz456]

Bravo OEC once again we agree. The sub-human that killed polly is a genetic mutation he will never be able to function in our society. I have seen lots of death in my 43 yrs,and continue to see it today as a city police det.

what is hardest to comprehend even for us (cops) is that people who perform these kinds of acts or not necessarily mentally unbalanced. thats what is scary. they know what they are doing. ..they understand right from wrong, they are just evil.... "our habits of the hearts have been subverted by the ambitions of the mind. society flinches from the truth. we do our best to find psychological or sociological reasons to excuse behavior that our minds wont accept for what it is. when you can sum it up all in one word EVIL.

[Nightingale]

It's a question which will never find an acceptable answer. Personally I would go for life in prison - terms according to the severity of the crime, premeditation, self-defence and so on - simply because there is the chance that a mistake has been made. Take a look at the **** case in Texas this week; 17 years in prison on a very shaky identification.

[BrightStar]

For murder, men should have a choice between
being a prison bitch or castration.
And women, well we should be allowed to
kill whomever we want.


As for organ donations,
NEVER EVER EVER put that you are an organ donor
on your drivers license.
There are so many shady hospitals in need of
organs. And some doctors might not let you live,
because they think someone else deserves your organ,
and they will let you die.
Or if you end up in the hospital for whatever reason,
don't ever sign the form for organ donation.
They can't touch em, not even after your dead.

I know its nice to help out others,
but sometimes you cannot trust those in charge.

You dont need an organ doner type stuff on your card for you them doing stuff like that.**

[Mr Karl]

death by biodegradation

[One Eyed Cat]

Bravo OEC once again we agree. The sub-human that killed polly is a genetic mutation he will never be able to function in our society. I have seen lots of death in my 43 yrs,and continue to see it today as a city police det.

what is hardest to comprehend even for us (cops) is that people who perform these kinds of acts or not necessarily mentally unbalanced. thats what is scary. they know what they are doing. ..they understand right from wrong, they are just evil.... "our habits of the hearts have been subverted by the ambitions of the mind. society flinches from the truth. we do our best to find psychological or sociological reasons to excuse behavior that our minds wont accept for what it is. when you can sum it up all in one word EVIL.

If anyone is truly evil, it is Richard Allan Davis. It's hard to even describe it except to see it.
To be honest with you, I'm not sure he even can be punished. The man just has no conscience. It was/is truly sickening.

OEC

[Tequila Zaire]

Yeah it's really hard to see the logic in letting GROWN MEN who kill children, **** women, and generally abuse society free due to "rehabilitation" and what not. Jail for life at LEAST...none of this renaming them and putting em back into daily life...the statistics simply show they repeat their crimes.

Plus come on...if by your 30's and 40's you've not learned that raping a kid then killing her is REALLY WRONG then maybe JUST maybe you shouldn't be allowed to breath anymore.

[Raina]

Murderers Should recieve Life sentences , no reprieve.
And Child molesters should recieve 10- 15 years, and be castrated while in prison. ( to ensure that it never happens again) I mean, we castrate dogs... I think rapists and child molesters are below dogs.

[Morning Glory]

if you think of people as animals, how is that any different from a murderer having no remorse for killing someone? it's exactly the same thing. only what you think is right, and everyone else who has the same attitude is wrong because they aren't you. total hypocrisy.

[Morning Glory]

everyone has a noble sense of universal justice, but it's not so black and white like that in reality. people usually don't kill someone in broad daylight, confess to the crime, and then say Yes, I like killing people and I'd do it again. In that case the'res no doubt that this person is the architype Murderer. But like I said, it's seldom clear like that, but people tend to make it clear based on emotional reactions and not facts. During the first day of the scott peterson trial most people were sure he was guilty, simply because of the heinous crime and that he was the suspect, but without seeing any tesimony or evidence of his guilt.
In this case it was found that he was guilty, but with that kind of thinking many people who are not are wrongly accused and tried and there are many innocnet people in prison. the justice system is not perfect, as much as we'd like to simplify everything to be.

[One Eyed Cat]

if you think of people as animals, how is that any different from a murderer having no remorse for killing someone? it's exactly the same thing. only what you think is right, and everyone else who has the same attitude is wrong because they aren't you. total hypocrisy.

I would disagree with the sentiment only in that it is unfair to animals Human being have cognition which make sociopathological choices even more reprehensible. I believe choice implies intent. Intent implies reaction to actions that deprive other humans of their life and/or liberty.


OEC

[Morning Glory]

Intent implies reaction to actions that deprive other humans of their life and/or liberty.

OEC

do you mean the crooks or the cops? by that defintion they kinda sound the same to me.

[One Eyed Cat]

do you mean the crooks or the cops? by that defintion they kinda sound the same to me.

I think in instances where law enforcement is proven to have acted in this manner, that LEO would become a crook. Obviously, you have to consider extraneous factors to determine the guilt of an LEO or a citizen. (Law Enforcement Officer = LEO)

OEC

[sheramil]

I'm surprised that so many of you seem to be pro-execution. It just doesn't make much sense rationally.

you have to be kidding.

if someone is executed for child abuse, you can pretty much be sure they won't re-offend.

legalise murder. why should governments have all the fun?

[23*]

hmm...when I was reading through this thread originally I found the whole "and don't let them have TV." stance pretty damn revolting. Whenever this topic comes up and people start yapping on about how prisoners should have no rights while they are imprisoned I feel this natural revulsion. The problem was that I was never able to articulate my feelings on it. So I recently asked someone I respect very much to share with me their sentiments on it.

Basically their argument was two-fold. Firstly there was the idealistic argument. Human society theoretically demands mutual respect among human beings. Now if we refuse to treat our criminals in a respectful and humanitarian way, we are straying from that same respect that we preach.

Secondly, there is the pragmatic argument. Criminals are social deviants, for one reason or another they have strayed from the path that society deems appropriate (ex. through burglary or r?pe etc.). The prisoner must be treated humanly and respectfully because otherwise he/she will never be able to return to normal society. It is pragmatic because it is in our best interests to treat prisoners respectfully so that they will be better able to 'return' to normal behavioural patterns. Even in the case of those with life sentences it is in our best interest to help them mature psychologically. The punishment is imprisonment, not the denial of basic human rights.

The way we treat our prisoners is a reflection of how advanced our society is.

[MistressJennifer]

The punishment for murder should be to make them film an entire DVD, pay for it, and then try to get insane Satan worshipping impotent old men to put it out....

Now THAT is punishment....

[gonesavage]

I always thought it would be okay to execute murderers the same way they murdered their last victim.