god is dead

[cheinara wraithwalker]

shit that means i do too

Let's form a club...or a country. We'll be Co-Emporers (I am an Empress, of course.) Let's call it...Gidea. And we'll all be Gideons, and laugh at the irony.

[Tequila Zaire]

why do I need to read any of those?

To learn something maybe?

[BrightStar]

My Opinion: Many Gods Died, Many Still Live, and Many Gods Have Yet To Be Born.

[23*]

Let's form a club...or a country. We'll be Co-Emporers (I am an Empress, of course.) Let's call it...Gidea. And we'll all be Gideons, and laugh at the irony.

pirates and ninjas will live in peace.

hand in hand, hand in hook...

[BrightStar]

pirates and ninjas will live in peace.

hand in hand, hand in hook...

But what about the Vikings? **

[cheinara wraithwalker]

pirates and ninjas will live in peace.

hand in hand, hand in hook...

...I think we just evolved somehow. The human race is now....better, smarter,...we have the technology...we can...sail ships and cut off people's head without them even knowing.


I like this.

[CPRB]

I want a 38 gun Frigate I want totall broadside wieght of 1000 tons of metal so I want long 64's in the gun room 42 longs for bow and stern chasers and 42 pounder carronades in the forpeak and quarterdeck. As you may not know, a Royal Navy sailing vessel's Captain is god....and I shall not die....as for vikings....the like to just drink and pillage and burn...doesn't make for great nieghbours

[KilLAtomiK]

pirates and ninjas will live in peace.

hand in hand, hand in hook...

finaly peace between the ninjas and pirates. could this be the work of GOD

[devil13]

To learn something maybe?

tequila are you really going to chime in on that? come on man, show me at least a little bit of inteligence. I mean last time you wrote soo much (most of it not making a whole lot of sense) and this time you attack me with this. why dont you at least ask me something like, how, if I dont believe in god and dont think one exists, claim him to be dead? you verry well cant kill what doesnt exist.

[devil13]

My Opinion: Many Gods Died, Many Still Live, and Many Gods Have Yet To Be Born.

yes that is true, but the one's that are yet to be born will have a very hard time trying to gain any real power or infuance. we look at most new religions as a cult or a sham. scientolagy was the last religion to actually gain some acceptance.

[CarnalxKiss]

I believe everyone should have a voice...and adhere to their beliefs/lack of beliefs. I will call them...convictions/concious...But to sit here and down others for sharing what their religious preference is...and then feeling the *need* out of the blue...to share yours..(i didint even see any religious threads here lately?)).this makes you no better...and completely equal...I do not feel a message board that is not centered around religion..is the place to debate upon it...but hey...in retrospect of this...i have no comment to my own beliefs..for they are my own and I am the only one who needs to be involved.

But riddle me this if you will....why is it..when people begin to speak about religion./religious issues...it is always mixed with Anger?...just a thought...

[cheinara wraithwalker]

But riddle me this if you will....why is it..when people begin to speak about religion./religious issues...it is always mixed with Anger?...just a thought...

Because alot of people can't understand how others cannot see from their point of view.

[memorydream]

Wow, this conversation is still going. How come?

[Tequila Zaire]

tequila are you really going to chime in on that? come on man, show me at least a little bit of inteligence. I mean last time you wrote soo much (most of it not making a whole lot of sense) and this time you attack me with this. why dont you at least ask me something like, how, if I dont believe in god and dont think one exists, claim him to be dead? you verry well cant kill what doesnt exist.

What I wrote was simple and to the point and given the lack of depth in all of your replies I'm starting wo wonder if you've given this entire idea of "god is dead" any serious thought.

If you think it is an attack for a person to say that you would learn something from reading...well then how can you expect me to take you seriously?

You think this discussion has been though provoking and deep? It's been pure shit...high school nonsense at best. The books mentioned for you to read have some very credible and well drawn out arguments and ideas...read that and then raise the same question...you'll get a better discussion.

You came into this ill-prepared, without focus, and not even one ounce of originality.

You seem to think this idea or notion somehow begins and ends with you and an individual...it doesn't. You can proclaim anything dead...God...The Devil...A genre of music...but if the idea is out there and their is faith in that idea then it is very much alive.

You see...saying something is dead is far too easy...having faith something is alive...now that's hard and nothing one man says can break that. So proclaim all you wish is dead my athiest friend...it has about as much validity as me saying I am god.

[Tequila Zaire]

Because alot of people can't understand how others cannot see from their point of view.

Oh they can see it clear enough...that's what angers them.

[cheinara wraithwalker]

So proclaim all you wish is dead my athiest friend...it has about as much validity as me saying I am god.

You mean....you...aren't?

My life is ruined.

[Tequila Zaire]

A book does not prove the existance of anything.

Ever pick up a math book? It can prove the existance of just about anything. Math is the only true universal language and it continues to evolve and shed light on the mysteries of the world. Math does not lie...it can't. Everything breaks down to numbers and some do feel that is where god is...hidden in an equation, waiting to be solved. Books are odd little things, they are like people. They can lie, they can tell the truth, and they can die. Only the worthless dismiss them.

my point is why do we have to prove something doesnt exist?

For the same reason we try to prove something does...we want to know.

[Tequila Zaire]

You mean....you...aren't?

My life is ruined.

I tried out fo the part but they said I was too short.

You know how they are.

[cheinara wraithwalker]

I tried out for the part but they said I was too short.

You know how they are.

Verticalist bastards.

[Morning Glory]

math is bullshit. two plus 2 is four... wrong! two plus two is now a billion! because what you've previously refered to as 2 is now 1/2 billion. just like all asshole "great thinkers" they think because they THINK it's true. since when did conditioning make something true? i've never seen so much god worship.It's people that think of themselves as god's- one person made up an idea and since it's been taught to millions of other's therefor it's "true"? despite the fact that they probibly would have no knowledge of it's existance if they hadn't been taught it. it's just like proclaiming god to be dead. you can't prove math to be true because it's only a relative concept not a universal "truth", and basically the only way you could prove that anything made or concieved by man is absolute would be to first prove that god existed and then have him confirm it.

[Tequila Zaire]

math is bullshit. two plus 2 is four... wrong! two plus two is now a billion! because what you've previously refered to as 2 is now 1/2 billion. just like all asshole "great thinkers" they think because they THINK it's true. since when did conditioning make something true? i've never seen so much god worship.It's people that think of themselves as god's- one person made up an idea and since it's been taught to millions of other's therefor it's "true"? despite the fact that they probibly would have no knowledge of it's existance if they hadn't been taught it. it's just like proclaiming god to be dead. you can't prove math to be true because it's only a relative concept not a universal "truth", and basically the only way you could prove that anything made or concieved by man is absolute would be to first prove that god existed and then have him confirm it.

You ever studied it passed High School and College? It goes far deeper into explaining the deeper parts of the human world and the universal one...math is not a human invention...it exists all around us and before us...it's part of the universe. It's at the core to explaining anything worthwhile. It's the ultimate guide.

[cheinara wraithwalker]

My whole point is that no one can prove *anything*, everything is just a bunch of theories. Hell, gravity is a theory, and it's worked for 3987928475204 years.

[Tequila Zaire]

My whole point is that no one can prove *anything*, everything is just a bunch of theories. Hell, gravity is a theory, and it's worked for 3987928475204 years.

I'm beginning to wonder if it's not so much a matter of wanting to prove soemthing as not wanting to accept it.

[Morning Glory]

you're thinking of the force. that was invented by george lucas, and it turns out it's caused by pubic lice.

[Morning Glory]

You ever studied it passed High School and College? It goes far deeper into explaining the deeper parts of the human world and the universal one...math is not a human invention...it exists all around us and before us...it's part of the universe. It's at the core to explaining anything worthwhile. It's the ultimate guide.

Hey, I guess you're right.

[ForrestBlack]

you're thinking of the force. that was invented by george lucas, and it turns out it's caused by pubic lice.

Wasn't it really Allen Dean Foster?

[mollycase]

Wasn't it really Allen Dean Foster?

Yes.

[Cafe_Post_Mortem]

I am glad someone finally had the courage to tell us god is dead, now if you wouldn't mind terribly telling god that we'll be all set

One of the things that has always bugged me about athiesm is the claim that science does not support the possibility of god. The thing is science acknowledges that it cannot disprove god. Look up the scientific method and attempt to apply it to god. OK then.

The other thing that bugs me is the idea that wars are fought over religion. Very few if any were, religion is sometimes the very thing excuse but it you trace it back wars are most often fought over property, be it land money or resources. Just because it is done in the name of god, doesn't mean god is the reason. Just because my shirt says nike doesn't mean that nike is making me go to the store. If people were not trying to shove xtian morals down our throat, they would be doing the same thing with some other ism, like socialism, capitalism or athiesm.

So here is my counter arguement, show me that there is no god. You don't need to prove it, just show me some evidence. And you can't use the bible cause, like you said, just cause it is in a book doesn't mean it's true.

Hail Eris!

[Jax]

This is dumb. The OP is just like the people he hates, or would like to call dumb. So everyone hates it when religion is shoved down our/their throats, so what is this thread about? Shoving atheism down others throats. Im an athiest, an extreme atheist, but Id never be the people I bitch about.

[OliX]

grafitti in my hometown:

God is dead.
Nitzche

then after a while someone added:

Nitzche is dead.
God

[Tequila Zaire]

grafitti in my hometown:

God is dead.
Nitzche

then after a while someone added:

Nitzche is dead.
God

heheh...that about sums everything up.

[tinstar]

grafitti in my hometown:

God is dead.
Nitzche

then after a while someone added:

Nitzche is dead.
God

It's also on a t-shirt they sell at the "rock and roll" store in the mall.

[tinstar]

most people don't want to think for themselves.

I disagree. I would say most people just don't know how and it is easier to place their lives in the hands of some unseen force, human or not. Personally, I am still learning how to think. It never ceases to amaze me when I think through some of my most dearly held beliefs and realize that it was just a silly catchphrase or some backwards piece of philosophy that was shoved down my throat. The process becomes a little dark and difficult to admit when I realize that, in some cases, I am the one who twisted the thoughts around myself for my own immediate satisfaction.

[tinstar]

math is bullshit. two plus 2 is four... wrong! two plus two is now a billion! because what you've previously refered to as 2 is now 1/2 billion. just like all asshole "great thinkers" they think because they THINK it's true. since when did conditioning make something true? i've never seen so much god worship.It's people that think of themselves as god's- one person made up an idea and since it's been taught to millions of other's therefor it's "true"? despite the fact that they probibly would have no knowledge of it's existance if they hadn't been taught it. it's just like proclaiming god to be dead. you can't prove math to be true because it's only a relative concept not a universal "truth", and basically the only way you could prove that anything made or concieved by man is absolute would be to first prove that god existed and then have him confirm it.

It is human nature and a requirement of our advancement and survival to come up with concepts like language and mathematics. True, you can call it whatever you like, but the pure concept - devoid of human language to express it, or even of humanity itself - of 2+2=4 is now and ever shall be.

[TheDeathKnight]

I'm a total athiest, but have you guys ever heard of the concept of the pink elephant?

The example goes like this:

If you look around your apartment, and your life, you will see no evidence of pink elephants. In fact, you probably don't see evidence of any *real* elephants at all. But that does not mean that pink elephants do not exist somewhere, and you have just never seen one.

Of course, that does not mean I will have "faith" that pink elephants exist.
And I would not believe real elephants exist, until I had seen one for myself,
or seen a picture of one, etc... So the same thing goes for god. I am not going
to believe in god, until I see some evidence. But that does not mean god
does not exist, or an afterlife does not exist. It is just not visible in this
world. But I see a lot more evidence that everything is part of nature,
and that we are all part of the animal world. When we die, we will
cease to exist, and we will rot. The end. But I could be wrong...

[Azekiel]

Is Devil13 still around? this thread keeps bouncing up the list and (s)he doesn't seem to have posted for a page or so.

in reverse cronological, a few thoughts:

Science dos not support God, or deny them either. God is one of the many things Science has shelved under 'check back later'. maybe something will come up and we'll find proof one way or the other. i don't see what form that evidence could take, but that's often the way of things. is god dead? for D13, apparently. the word 'dead' suggests that a thing was 'alive' at some point, which goes against the doctrine of atheism, therefore i assume (s)he's refering to their own personal concept of god, alive during the religious upbringing but no longer.

As to religious wars... No, i've yet to hear of a war that is more than nominally about religion. that said, religion is a superb way to rally support for a war, an excellent way to motivate your soldiers and a very useful excuse for suppressing any dissent. having a largely secular population doesn't prevent a nation going to war, but it does make things a little more difficult for someone intent on causing one.

[BeyondDeath]

Religion is a very complex subject, and one which manifests on many levels. When we think of religion, we tend to think of beliefs. Do we worship a god or a goddess? Or both? One supreme being, or many deities?Or do we not worship at all. What are their stories? What legends do we believe? What festivals do we celebrate? But with any set of beliefs comes a set of actions. Certain things are good, thus encouraged or commanded. Other things are bad, thus discouraged or forbidden. And some people differ on how widely their religious rules apply. Some believe their rules apply only to members of their faith; others may hold that their god's laws apply to all people everywhere. As long as any person's membership in any religion is free and uncoerced, then we must allow this person the freedom to believe as she wishes, no matter how stupid we consider her belief to be. In allowing others the ownership of their own beliefs and paths, we have the obligation to allow them to follow the paths they have chosen for themselves as long as they are not causing harm to others. And with this I have said my share, I am the type of person that doesn't care if you worship or not i truely believe that as long as you treat others the way you would like to be treated then every thing would be ok. ** WARNING this is my opinion and my opinion only no animals where hurt while stateing my opinion. THANK YOU!** =)

[Morning Glory]

good post beyond death. to qoute chris rock in dogma "where they went wrong was they took an idea and built a belief structure out of it... people shouldn't have beliefs, they should have ideas. at least you can change an idea." or something along those lines, I don't exactly remember. sounds good.

[Morning Glory]

This is dumb. The OP is just like the people he hates, or would like to call dumb. So everyone hates it when religion is shoved down our/their throats, so what is this thread about? Shoving atheism down others throats. Im an athiest, an extreme atheist, but Id never be the people I bitch about.

what do you mean by "extreme athiest?" just wondering your perspective.

[devil13]

as children most of us where born into our religion(if your parents are cathalic you are cathalic, if your parents are christian you are, etc... etc...) in a sense brainwashed as children into some form of belief. some of us questioned it some didnt. when we got older we could decide on our own what we wanted to believe. I try to use a more logical train of thought when it comes to religions, gods, devils, u.f.o.'s, bigfoot, etc... etc. I dont think Im going to change anyones view or convert them into thinking like me.

Now I started this thread to get people to talk about the subject. I picked the title because it would get peoples attention. It has worked. I mean, I started this thread a day ago and look at how many of you have replied. I am NOT anrgry or full of hate. I can be sarcastic, but only to those that deserve it. I think it is rather funny because so far I have gotten

You think this discussion has been though provoking and deep? It's been pure shit...high school nonsense at best.

well I dont think it is and I dont think most of you think it is either. If I had said I was a satanist and said fuck god, I would have had less anger directed at me. I think that if you feel that strongly about the subject and it offends your moral value then you wouldnt be on any of the blue blood sites. since you are here than there shouldt be a problem. ok.