trouble with skinheads?

[TheDeathKnight]

So where is the debate, ItalDvl?

I'd like to hear your personal viewpoints on race.

I'm just curious what your views are, on certain races and religions,
and what kind of world you would like to live in...

[Buster Friendly]

Ummm, I was engaged to a jew. Ive seen first hand everything that you said is false.

there are asshole jews, just like there are asshole Quakers...

...although there's nothing quite like a twister Quaker... heh...

I'm late for work again...

[Jax]

So where is the debate, ItalDvl?

I'd like to hear your personal viewpoints on race.

I'm just curious what your views are, on certain races and religions,
and what kind of world you would like to live in...

He hasnt run away, hes out car shopping for the mother of his soon to be born daughter.

[TheDeathKnight]

(goes back to his corner)

[ItalDvl]

So where is the debate, ItalDvl?

I'd like to hear your personal viewpoints on race.

I'm just curious what your views are, on certain races and religions,
and what kind of world you would like to live in...

Im not going to debate my personal viewpoints on race or religions.

But the kind of world I would like to live in?

Some of my wishes are a bit unrealistic so I wont go over those.
I would like to live in a sepratist world. Where each race lives with the company of their own. Let me ask you this. What do you think causes racism?

And answer with common sence. Not inbreeding or the south or anything of the sort. Not that YOU would but alot would.

[Rockwulf]

What do you think causes racism?

You mean besides outright fear?

[ItalDvl]

You mean besides outright fear?

Yes! I don't see how Becuase I don't agree with some things and choose not to have it in my life and stand agaisnt it, means I'm afriad of something? Please elaberate?

Whether any of you want to admit it or not this world is based off of hate. Change can only come from hate regardless of how small or large the hate may be. From gas prices to countries to sun glasses to corded computer mice. Things change becuase we refuse to accept the way they are.

I refuse to accept the way certian peoples act! I refuse to live in a world where my daughter will have to go through a metal detector just to get into school every morning. I refuse to live in a world where my daughter must grow up with a drug dealer and/or pimp on every street corner. And I refuse to ever go through any more drive bys!

If you can't see problems such as these then you are blind!

[TheDeathKnight]

Let me ask you this. What do you think causes racism?

I think a lot of times, personal experience causes racism.
And observation of cultural and religious behaviors.
Sometimes it is taught, but often you learn it on your own.

Most races, and religions, and cultures, fit their stereotypes.
I have jewish friends, who are very good with money, act "jewish", etc...
It's part of their culture, and upbringing.
I grew up in San Diego, and most Mexicans acted like stereotypical mexicans.
You've got your wetbacks, illegals, gangbangers, etc, etc...
And in the hood, you've got a lot of ignorant, violent, drug-using black people...
A lot of stereotypes are totally based in reality.

But that is not true of every person of that race.

This is a diverse world.
Lots of different cultures and races and religions.

My point is that your environment, and the culture you are raised in,
affects how you act, how you think, etc... Regardless of skin color, etc...
So if you raise a white kid in the ghetto, you will think he was black
by how he acts. He'll be a "wigger". He'll be into rap, crime, and be
uneducated, ignorant, and talk in slang. It is the influence of what
is around you. So I totally understand wanting to keep to yourself,
if your race, and your culture, seems pretty decent. You won't want
your kids associating with bad influences, etc... But what you'll end
up with, is totally separate races and cultures, that do not understand
each other at all. I'd prefer that we all learn from each other, and try
to get along, so that we can all work to improve our country.

This world has problems.

We can either learn to get along, and learn to understand each other,
or we can lock ourselves up behind walls and hate the people living
outside, because we do not understand them.

If you think "white" culture is really great, then bring those
things into the black neighborhoods. Put your ideas, morals,
ethics, etc, into the schools there. Then you will have better
kids coming out of the system that are not ignorant people,
who have to resort to crime to get by...

[Amelia G]

Well im fully aware of how old this thread is but I happen to be a skinhead. Yes the racist kind. And Im just wondering if any of you thought to ask maybe a skinhead about how to get rid of us?

You might find we easyer to deal with then you think.

Heres how you get rid of us. One dotn be so shy we only attack when givin a really good reason and two remind him of how stupid he looks by "protecting" a chick that doesnt want him. Dont be condesending about it and dont do it in public. if you make him look liek an ass its a sure thing you will get hurt. And most of us wont attack with a crowd of skins We are usally pretty good about handling our own shit. It sadens me to read that most of you think this way about us. But I guess I have other skins to blame for that. Even if this guy kicks your ass be sure nto to back down. You will find its worth having the respect of a skinhead on your side.

The more you run and hide from him the more hes going to want to hurt you.
Just step up and deal with it.

If you guys have questions about us always feel free to ask us dont be shy we dont bite.
Well sometimes but just dont treat us liek shit and we wont treat you like shit.

I find it funny that alot of you say we are pussies but im sure if i posted my address I wouldnt see anyone. Bring your bats with the barbed wire and ill come completely unarmed and I will still win. Dont be jerks it only ends up hurting you.

Take care

How many places can you get someone from a group such as skinhead subculture to explain their culture and how best to interact with people who are a part of it?

Although I believe that America's greatest strengths come from its melting pot attributes, I think it is damn thoughtful and helpful of ItalDvl to bother to explain where he is coming from.

[Rockwulf]

Yes! I don't see how Becuase I don't agree with some things and choose not to have it in my life and stand agaisnt it, means I'm afriad of something? Please elaberate?

Whether any of you want to admit it or not this world is based off of hate. Change can only come from hate regardless of how small or large the hate may be. From gas prices to countries to sun glasses to corded computer mice. Things change becuase we refuse to accept the way they are.

I refuse to accept the way certian peoples act! I refuse to live in a world where my daughter will have to go through a metal detector just to get into school every morning. I refuse to live in a world where my daughter must grow up with a drug dealer and/or pimp on every street corner. And I refuse to ever go through any more drive bys!

If you can't see problems such as these then you are blind!

I'll type it all out later, Right now I have a chainsaw bolted to my left hand and am leaving for a pary

[Amelia G]

Yes! I don't see how Becuase I don't agree with some things and choose not to have it in my life and stand agaisnt it, means I'm afriad of something? Please elaberate?

Whether any of you want to admit it or not this world is based off of hate. Change can only come from hate regardless of how small or large the hate may be. From gas prices to countries to sun glasses to corded computer mice. Things change becuase we refuse to accept the way they are.

I refuse to accept the way certian peoples act! I refuse to live in a world where my daughter will have to go through a metal detector just to get into school every morning. I refuse to live in a world where my daughter must grow up with a drug dealer and/or pimp on every street corner. And I refuse to ever go through any more drive bys!

If you can't see problems such as these then you are blind!

Both hate and love are powerful and can impact the world. It is possible to live in a sucky neighborhood and be very safe and have your family be very safe and protected, if you is valued by the community there. If you are uncomfortable integrating into that community and you don't want your daughter to be in that environment with those potential bad influences, it is possible to work hard and move to Scottsdale.

[Amelia G]

I'll type it all out later, Right now I have a chainsaw bolted to my left hand and am leaving for a pary

Pix please!

[Tequila Zaire]

sorry that this is from a while back, but ..... please point out to me where you have EVER seen jews preaching hate for any other race..... not in the talmud, not in the torah, not in the kaballah ... not in temple, not in person, not in the "jew controled" left-wing media not EVER ...... dont try to back up an argument with false statements, especially if you are trying to discredit other races/religions

Obviously you have not seen any documentary or report on those little conflicts they've had with their Arab neighbors...pretty sure Palestinian's alone would say different as well. If you honestly think that none of those situations have had hate as a prime modivation AT SOME POINT...well then you're being dangerously naive.

[ItalDvl]

I think a lot of times, personal experience causes racism.
And observation of cultural and religious behaviors.
Sometimes it is taught, but often you learn it on your own.

Most races, and religions, and cultures, fit their stereotypes.
I have jewish friends, who are very good with money, act "jewish", etc...
It's part of their culture, and upbringing.
I grew up in San Diego, and most Mexicans acted like stereotypical mexicans.
You've got your wetbacks, illegals, gangbangers, etc, etc...
And in the hood, you've got a lot of ignorant, violent, drug-using black people...
A lot of stereotypes are totally based in reality.

But that is not true of every person of that race.

This is a diverse world.
Lots of different cultures and races and religions.

My point is that your environment, and the culture you are raised in,
affects how you act, how you think, etc... Regardless of skin color, etc...
So if you raise a white kid in the ghetto, you will think he was black
by how he acts. He'll be a "wigger". He'll be into rap, crime, and be
uneducated, ignorant, and talk in slang. It is the influence of what
is around you. So I totally understand wanting to keep to yourself,
if your race, and your culture, seems pretty decent. You won't want
your kids associating with bad influences, etc... But what you'll end
up with, is totally separate races and cultures, that do not understand
each other at all. I'd prefer that we all learn from each other, and try
to get along, so that we can all work to improve our country.

This world has problems.

We can either learn to get along, and learn to understand each other,
or we can lock ourselves up behind walls and hate the people living
outside, because we do not understand them.

If you think "white" culture is really great, then bring those
things into the black neighborhoods. Put your ideas, morals,
ethics, etc, into the schools there. Then you will have better
kids coming out of the system that are not ignorant people,
who have to resort to crime to get by...

I completely understand your points. But I grew up in the ghetto So that isn't intirely true. And like I stated earlyer people are responsable for there own turn outs. And honestly do you think it would be accepted if I tried to push "white" cultur on black students?

[Tequila Zaire]

i was mad. Lol. Lets just leave it at that.

yes, Jax has immature crybaby moments too!

Haha fair enough...we all have those. More so online.

Hope it wasn't toward anything I said. Though I guess my hello kitty comment was a low blow. haha.

[Tequila Zaire]

... And honestly do you think it would be accepted if I tried to push "white" cultur on black students?

What would constitute "White Culture" though?

[ItalDvl]

Both hate and love are powerful and can impact the world. It is possible to live in a sucky neighborhood and be very safe and have your family be very safe and protected, if you is valued by the community there. If you are uncomfortable integrating into that community and you don't want your daughter to be in that environment with those potential bad influences, it is possible to work hard and move to Scottsdale.

HAHAHAH scottsdale HAHAHAHA

Thats just as bad.

There I would have to worry about her being run over by a "H2" and some snobby jerk off. Im not about undeserving rich folk. Not that thats the only type that live sin scottsdale but very close.

Im all about 40 acres in the middle of no where with a triple wide.
See Im high class trailor trash.

[TheDeathKnight]

You can't push your culture on other people.
But other cultures will respect you more, and like you more, if you are cool to them.

My main point regarding racism, is that just because a whole culture is generally
one way, that does not mean all people of that color are the same way...

I did not learn that until I met some of them.

But I have friends now from many different races and cultures.
They are not ghetto or criminals...
They share the same values I do, and are all intelligent and considerate people.
So in my mind, they are of the same culture I am.
They are cool techs, goths, punks, artists, programmers, etc...
But they happen to be white, black, asian, hispanic, etc, etc...

My point is that race does not determine your cultural background.
Where you are born, and how you are raised, has a lot more to do with it.

I'm not going to raise my kids in the ghetto.
I'm not going to surround myself with a life of crime and violence.
But that doesn't mean I need to hate blacks, or any other race.
They've got their problems. No doubt about that.
But there are really cool people of every race.
Sooner or later you will meet them, if you are willing to keep an open mind about it.

[ItalDvl]

What would constitute "White Culture" though?

White culture would constitute alot!

War, Musics, Cars, clothes, sports, natrue, pride, etc.

[ItalDvl]

You can't push your culture on other people.
But other cultures will respect you more, and like you more, if you are cool to them.

My main point regarding racism, is that just because a whole culture is generally
one way, that does not mean all people of that color are the same way...

I did not learn that until I met some of them.

But I have friends now from many different races and cultures.
They are not ghetto or criminals...
They share the same values I do, and are all intelligent and considerate people.
So in my mind, they are of the same culture I am.
They are cool techs, goths, punks, artists, programmers, etc...
But they happen to be white, black, asian, hispanic, etc, etc...

My point is that race does not determine your cultural background.
Where you are born, and how you are raised, has a lot more to do with it.

I'm not going to raise my kids in the ghetto.
I'm not going to surround myself with a life of crime and violence.
But that doesn't mean I need to hate blacks, or any other race.
They've got their problems. No doubt about that.
But there are really cool people of every race.
Sooner or later you will meet them, if you are willing to keep an open mind about it.

I understand what you are saying trust me but never will I meet them becuase I refuse to keep an open mind about it.

I am set in my ways I like my ways. They have worked for me so far. And even in regualr day life I dont treat people like shit unless it calls for it.

[Tequila Zaire]

White culture would constitute alot!

War, Musics, Cars, clothes, sports, natrue, pride, etc.

I'm trying to get an idea of if it has an specifics or traits exclusive to it, I'll settle for a readers digest version of it or a link to anything that explains it in depth...I can understand it'd be a lot to explain fully.

[Amelia G]

HAHAHAH scottsdale HAHAHAHA

Thats just as bad.

There I would have to worry about her being run over by a "H2" and some snobby jerk off. Im not about undeserving rich folk. Not that thats the only type that live sin scottsdale but very close.

Im all about 40 acres in the middle of no where with a triple wide.
See Im high class trailor trash.

I know some very deserving rich folks who live in Scottsdale, but ya gotta admit that Scottsdale is mighty white and fairly free of metal detectors, street pushers, street pimps, and drive by shootings.

So maybe it is not specifically the color of someone's skin that troubles you.

[peoplejudgeme]

Obviously you have not seen any documentary or report on those little conflicts they've had with their Arab neighbors...pretty sure Palestinian's alone would say different as well. If you honestly think that none of those situations have had hate as a prime modivation AT SOME POINT...well then you're being dangerously naive.

that is an issue about either group (israeli/palestinian) wanting to occupy their holy land .... not hate for the other race/religion , rather a conflict of interest ..... but i suppose knowing the facts could be considred naive

[Tequila Zaire]

..... but i suppose knowing the facts could be considred naive

It is when you think their is not hate or malice associated with car bombing and bulldozing one another off this Holy Land.

Cause last I checked you tend not to splatter peoples brains across ancient land out of kindness and love.

Conflict of Interest...way to understate the savagery of it.

[peoplejudgeme]

It is when you think their is not hate or malice associated with car bombing and bulldozing one another off this Holy Land.

Cause last I checked you tend not to splatter peoples brains across ancient land out of kindness and love.

Conflict of Interest...way to understate the savagery of it.

the point i was trying to make is that their hate of each other is not some arbitrary hate of a race/religion, they would hate/dislike anyone that occupied their holyland.....

[Tequila Zaire]

the point i was trying to make is that their hate of each other is not some arbitrary hate of a race/religion, they would hate/dislike anyone that occupied their holyland.....

I can understand the cultural and religious importance of that part of the world to the major faiths of that region (and in this case the western world too)...but given what the faiths are about and the epic level of violence that's occured as a result going back to even before the crusades one cannot help but think that at some point god, faith, love, and holyness took a back seat to ambition, violence, murder, and what has to be the greatest pissing contest ever.

I have zero against either side...I deal with both arabs and jews quite regularly and understand the issues relating to this conflict but one does see, hear, and feel the animosity between these two sides on numerous occasions...be it small agitations like jews having large and loud processions through arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem or some nutjob going into a mosque and unloading a rifle into the praying crowd.You kinda sense a little hate.

[TheDeathKnight]

I understand what you are saying trust me but never will I meet them becuase I refuse to keep an open mind about it.

I am set in my ways I like my ways. They have worked for me so far. And even in regualr day life I dont treat people like shit unless it calls for it.

Well, that's not the best argument in the world... Haha!
I was expecting this big battle!

I'm not saying you should go out seeking multi-ethnic friends.
I don't go to the hood looking to get to know other people from other economic backgrounds. But when I meet a new person at work, or on the street, I don't assume they are an asshole, or a drug dealer, or whatever. I try not to assume anything, until I get to know them better. This is true of all people, of all races. There is nothing wrong with not liking people. I don't like all the people I meet. Some of them are assholes and I want nothing to do with them. But until I can tell they are an asshole, I don't treat them like one. I act normally. And if they are cool, I will be cool to them. It sounds like you are sort of that way yourself. But if you met a black person, who was a pretty nice person, and shared many of your values, would you ever consider being their friend? If not, why not?

[Nudemuse]

What do you think causes racism?

And answer with common sence. Not inbreeding or the south or anything of the sort. Not that YOU would but alot would.

Snipped for brevity.

I believe there are as many causes of racism as there are racists. I've known many racists and most of them-aside from the general (insert race here) does this, and they do that, and then they do that sort of thing- have each had different reasons for being racist.

Some because they felt (insert race here) has more advantages. Others because of a belief that inter mixing races (which by the way is at this point in the world an overused over simplified term, a race is not kept pure, heritage is kept intact.) will cause them some genetic decay etc.

Personally most reasons I hear for racism sound to me less like a political view point than reasons to scapegoat others for the ills that society at large has. America is good proof that scapegoating only prolongs the problems rather than solves them.

My biggest issue with any ideology that encompasses entire groups of people is that it removes personal responsibility from both sides of the equation. If you subscribe to whatever party line it excuses you from developing your own experiences and opinions that deviate from the whole. Flip the coin over and having a problem with an entire group of people you take away the personal responsibility for behaviours and actions away from them.

It's a lose lose situation.

I don't particularly care if someone (group of someones) decides they don't like me for (insert reason here: I'm black, I'm a woman, I'm not straight, I have facial piercings, I listen to (insert genre here)music, I am inked, I don't like onions blablabla) that doesn't bother me in the least. What bothers me is that by discounting me for whatever reason you give no credence to the fact that I am solely responsible for my life.

I do not now and have never allowed the color of my skin to dictate anything to me other than what shade of foundation I wear. What I find offensive is the idea that the color of my skin(or whatever other thing) has anything at all to do with who I am as a person because it doesn't.

If I have done something to make someone hate me I will take responsibility for it. My actions are not the actions of (insert people with similar whatever to me here) nor are the actions of others an accurate reflection of who I am as a person.

As far as race goes I pity anyone who decides to let the color of their skin dictate who they are. I truly do.

[Amelia G]

Snipped for brevity.

I believe there are as many causes of racism as there are racists. I've known many racists and most of them-aside from the general (insert race here) does this, and they do that, and then they do that sort of thing- have each had different reasons for being racist.

Some because they felt (insert race here) has more advantages. Others because of a belief that inter mixing races (which by the way is at this point in the world an overused over simplified term, a race is not kept pure, heritage is kept intact.) will cause them some genetic decay etc.

Personally most reasons I hear for racism sound to me less like a political view point than reasons to scapegoat others for the ills that society at large has. America is good proof that scapegoating only prolongs the problems rather than solves them.

My biggest issue with any ideology that encompasses entire groups of people is that it removes personal responsibility from both sides of the equation. If you subscribe to whatever party line it excuses you from developing your own experiences and opinions that deviate from the whole. Flip the coin over and having a problem with an entire group of people you take away the personal responsibility for behaviours and actions away from them.

It's a lose lose situation.

I don't particularly care if someone (group of someones) decides they don't like me for (insert reason here: I'm black, I'm a woman, I'm not straight, I have facial piercings, I listen to (insert genre here)music, I am inked, I don't like onions blablabla) that doesn't bother me in the least. What bothers me is that by discounting me for whatever reason you give no credence to the fact that I am solely responsible for my life.

I do not now and have never allowed the color of my skin to dictate anything to me other than what shade of foundation I wear. What I find offensive is the idea that the color of my skin(or whatever other thing) has anything at all to do with who I am as a person because it doesn't.

If I have done something to make someone hate me I will take responsibility for it. My actions are not the actions of (insert people with similar whatever to me here) nor are the actions of others an accurate reflection of who I am as a person.

As far as race goes I pity anyone who decides to let the color of their skin dictate who they are. I truly do.

Very well said.

But do you at least like scallions? You know, green onions are kind of different from other types of onions.

[ItalDvl]

Honestly having a debate with a white racist, is a lost cuase. Do you honestly think you would ever see my stand points? Or ever surcome to what I have to say? No you won't. It's futile to have a debate about hate of races with some one that openly hates you're race.

I believe this conversation has exhuasted it's self.

[Amelia G]

Honestly having a debate with a white racist, is a lost cuase. Do you honestly think you would ever see my stand points? Or ever surcome to what I have to say? No you won't. It's futile to have a debate about hate of races with some one that openly hates you're race.

I believe this conversation has exhuasted it's self.

If you believe you are right, why would you never be able to convince other people to see things your way? It still seems to me that, given that you wouldn't be a fan of predominantly white Scottsdale, then the issue isn't really racism. Not wanting your daughter to be in danger when she goes to school is just normal decent parenting, not being racist. And, if you wouldn't want your daughter to go to school in a number of largely white areas either, then maybe something other than race is really what matters to you.

[ForrestBlack]

Honestly having a debate with a white racist, is a lost cuase. Do you honestly think you would ever see my stand points? Or ever surcome to what I have to say? No you won't. It's futile to have a debate about hate of races with some one that openly hates you're race.

I believe this conversation has exhuasted it's self.

Sometimes a conversation is not so much about winning somone over or being won over, but about having a better understanding of each other's views. Even if there is little or no agreement at all.

There are things I understand, that I certainly don't agree with, but I'd be in the dark if I didn't try to learn at all.

[ItalDvl]

If you believe you are right, why would you never be able to convince other people to see things your way?

How exactly would I convince a "non white" that the white race is better. Like I said it's futile!

Also if I am givin a good oppertunity to talk with people of my own race in person it's a completely different story. I think we can all agree that alot of points are lost over the internet. Tones of voices, facial expressions, and so on.

[ItalDvl]

If you believe you are right, why would you never be able to convince other people to see things your way? It still seems to me that, given that you wouldn't be a fan of predominantly white Scottsdale, then the issue isn't really racism. Not wanting your daughter to be in danger when she goes to school is just normal decent parenting, not being racist. And, if you wouldn't want your daughter to go to school in a number of largely white areas either, then maybe something other than race is really what matters to you.

My dislike for scottsdale is not the fact that its predominantly white its that fact that. I don't like the attitude carried by MOST rich people. I don't have a hate for people with money not at all. But as I stated earlyer I have a hate for people with unearned money. Trust funds and rich daddies car. Regardless of race I feel everyone should earn their own way. I prefer a predominanlty white middle class area where I have something in common with the people. Like I said I prefer the company of my own, that also goes beyound race but into socail status aswell.

[peoplejudgeme]

How exactly would I convince a "non white" that the white race is better. Like I said it's futile!

i am white.... convince me why "our" race is better. I don't see any difference in people of other races at all aside from pigmentation.

[Flip]

i am white.... convince me why "our" race is better. I don't see any difference in people of other races at all aside from pigmentation.

same here, to say one race is better than another you have to have a very good reason, what exactly are we as white people better at?

[Morning Glory]

we're better at being racists.

[Spaceman Spiff]

So I was thinking about what's behind racism and I knew there was a psychological theory that I thought might explain "unfounded racism", and that is Confirmation Bias. Now I'm not a psychologist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night...oh yeah, and took some classes in college...but the gist of this idea is that if you have a hypothesis about something then you will go out of your way to find things to support it. So, if you believe people of one race have a certain negaitve trait you will be more inclined to remember occasions where that was reinforced than occasions where it wasn't, subconsciously of course.

That being said, I would like to parallel the race example with a gender example, to show its universality. If, for example, I came across the idea that women are bad drivers at some point in my life and believed it might be true...or was told it was true, then from there on out I would, unknowingly, be looking for evidance to support that idea. Then, everytime I saw a woman almost cause an accident while attempting to drive and: put on makeup, talk on the cellphone, dig through thier purse, etc. I would be more likely to remember those over the times where they: had hands at ten and two, signaled turns and lane changes, etc. Now you are not simply going to be able to talk me out of my beilef, because in my mind I have all this evidance supporting my hypothesis that they are bad drivers. Sure, you might beable to change my mind over time...if I was willing to accept it...but if I have convinced myself that I'm right then my mind is closed off to change because I don't need any more data, I've collected enough to prove it to myself, and anything you show me to the contrary is just a freak occourance and will be discarded as such.
Thus, the problem of stereotyping is an inherent problem of the human brain. Everyone does things like this with little things in life because it makes it easier for the brain to process and recall information...if you hear a word like desert, you think dry or hot eventhough it isn't always hot or dry in the desert, that is just how it is most of the time, so its easier for your brain to classify it that way.
I hope that this helps a little as an aid in your (everybodys) thoughts on this subject, and any others in the future. I've been trying to put it into words for a while, I hope it makes some sense.

I would also like to add that the women drivers thing was just an example and I didn't want to start an argument over it and I know its not true of all women...I just thought it was a good way to show that it doesn't always have to be about race...it can be gender, or age, or whatever.

[sunkarma]

I need to go back and read this thread...from what I got on this page...
Jax is a skinhead hippie????

Jax seemed cool to me....if she is a racist, oh well....you are a product of your environment. We all are. If you grew up in a different area, do you think you would be a skinhead, Jax?
I just want your opinion, hun.

We are what we all are...black, white, purple, yellow, green, or any other color of the rainbow.

To teach ignorance is a waste of time (you'll be stupid)..to teach hate is even further of a waste of time. Why teach when people will grow up and learn it from their environment ANYWAY????

I would turn the other cheek, but it's been slapped so much that I just raise my head, instead....

I don't agree with racism...on any level.
I have known 'good' and 'bad' skinheads. The 'bad' racist ones actually find me amusing. I find them amusing as well...we used to sit around in high school and insult each other to see who could come up with the best insult. They knew I didn't fit their stereotypes...so we actually were friends. I taught them things...they taught me a few things....there is much to learn from everyone and anyone. The 'good' skinheads were just trying to dispel the myths the bad ones and put out there, and were more on a 'unifying' level for everyone. It could be different in different states...
But I agree, Detroit sucks. Plus, its cold....

But racism...makes me puke.

Now I have to go back and read this thread....it is a bit confusing when you catch just page 4.

Hippies are yummy... just lick one.

[Jax]

I need to go back and read this thread...from what I got on this page...
Jax is a skinhead hippie????

Jax seemed cool to me....if she is a racist, oh well....you are a product of your environment. We all are. If you grew up in a different area, do you think you would be a skinhead, Jax?
I just want your opinion, hun.



Hippies are yummy... just lick one.

Yeah, you defineately need to read the whole thread.

I aint no fucking hippie.

Oh yeah, nor a skinhead.

My opinion is theres hate no matter what culture/race/color/dick size.

Unity between man is impossible and will never exist.

I feel whites have just as many rights to be proud of who they are, as do blacks, muslims, and aliens. If I chose to be proud that Im white, I feel I have every right to be. Im proud to be who I am. Im allowed my rights to be proud of my ancestors.

Sorry so vague. Im on ItalDvl's lap and am quite distracted (hes peeking over my shoulder).

True story.