Hippie Advice

[Morning Glory]

I agree 100% with what chesire and keiko said, to me a hippie is someone who claims to be revolutionary, but DOES NOT do any of these things, and instead just uses it as an excuse to justify doing nothing but sitting around and getting high.

[Morning Glory]

Hallucinogens, including LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide), mescaline, psilocybin, PCP (phencyclidine), and ketamine. Serious and lasting psychiatric conditions such as psychosis or hallucinogenic flashbacks can develop after using LSD.

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[cheshire centauri]

no self therapy involving a drug is truly going to last. If you cannot face your demons with a clear mind no chemical will provide a solution to the problem.

Its obvious that self-therapy involving psychedelics would not mean being dosed up 24 hours a day. The word Psychedelic means "mind manifesting", they provide deeper insight into your psyche, the drug does not come up with the solution; you do.

I say this as someone who overcame a psychological disorder without drugs of any kind. all any drug does is mask the symptom and even a psychedelic drug's offer solutions fade when faced with the light of reality.

Once again you are failing to distinguish Psychedelics from other drugs. You wouldn't call a cat and a dog the same animal so why dump LSD in with Cocaine and heroin. Its a well know fact that different drugs produce different effects, unless you've tried them all, you really can't say what "all any drug does". I’m not a scientist but I understand that psychedelics act as neurotransmitter mimics which makes them fundamentally different to cocaine or extasy. Also would you say that the use of anti-depressants to combat depression and raise serotonin levels is illusory? I’m not sure if you know, but scientists and therapists had considerable success treating alcoholism with psychedelic substances before it was outlawed and native Americans still use Peyote to combat it.

As far as drugs being responsible for many of the music, art and religions... i cry bunk again... it is responsible for some and some parts, but i would say a much larger majority was without.

There is more than what you see before you. Art can be about what happens everyday for sure, i don't knock our sculptures of David or defecate on the Last Supper, i just don't find them particularly interesting. Psychedelic drugs just offer a new way of looking at things, not necessarily a better way, but usually a more appreciative one. Ginsberg wrote entire passages of Howl under LSD, then there was Baudelaire and Burroughs and Coleridge the opium addict. Sometimes there are exceptional people who decide to use drugs to try and explain a transcendental reality. You might be surprised how often this happens, since many singer-song writers have only referred to their muses under various aliases due to social intolerance. Bob Dylan, one of the greatest lyricists of the 20th century often used stimulants to compose some of his best songs. Truth be told, Dylan was a great lyricist from the start, he didn’t need drugs, but he found them useful. Would you say that Dylan was “not that creative”? Tangerine Dream started using synthesisers and tape mixes in the early seventies, the Beetles, then we have Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, not least of all the Doors and plenty of the progressive rock crowd…
You think Jim Morrison was talking about transgenderism when he wrote "break on through to the other side"? The point is a lot of the pioneers in music have been assisted through drugs. I don’t claim that drugs are responsible for the music, obviously you need an exceptional person beforehand, but the psychic fusion which made the artistry possible would probably have been unattainable without them. It’s a correlative conjunction.

As far as religions go.
Hallucinogenic drugs are among the oldest drugs used by humankind, as hallucinogens naturally occur in mushrooms, cacti, and various other plants. There is evidence that our prehistoric ancestors used entheogens as well as the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Maya, Inca and Aztec civilizations. I’d even place my money on the fact that Christianity and Judaism have their roots in psychedelics. After all, what is the holy sacrament if not some theatre of amphetamine takers. If this wasn’t enough there is plenty of proof that animals have a long history of using psychedelics also, elephants, cows, goats, and they even use them recreationally. The drive to transcend our own small realities is natural. As I said earlier, art which describes the everyday is fine, but ontological art is far more interesting, at least for me. I would even go as far to say that these drugs may have played a significant roll in the development of human consciousness.

If you need drugs to ceate, you are not that creative.

True, If you need them to be creative then you are not all that creative, the spark needs to be there before the fire.

[Evilbink]

I would even go as far to say that these drugs may have played a significant roll in the development of human consciousness.

And just look at where we are now..we should be so proud

[cheshire centauri]

And just look at where we are now..we should be so proud

its not Timothy Leary's fault that mankind almost always elects to office the most primitive of its race.

[Evilbink]

Sure as hell dosen't help. People are fucked up enough, they sure don't need any drug induced "help" to fuck it up more.

[RobLongshot]

how about looking at the genetic damage such drugs do, thats fucking great for the gene pool.
And actually i would say the effects of anti-depressants are illusory, that is why most paitnets must always remain on them and even increase dose. It is a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
As far as the rest of your statements, it is the same typical shit you hear from drug apologists all the time... it is all propaganda to try to justify stupidity.
And, Dylan... no. sorry, not a talented lyricist

[keiko]

LSD and Psilocybin have demonstrated virtually non-existent toxicity in healthy subjects, even at many-milligram doses thousands of times higher than are taken recreationally.

Which I why i have a friend that lives in a wheel chair because of the damage done to his bone tissue from doing acid when he was young. His spine won't hold his weight anymore without breaking. Rob, you remember Tash, right?

I know lots of "talented" musicians and artists that do lots of drugs to help them create. Ninty nine percent of what they create is all about drugs. Even Jim Morrison's stuff. Ever read any of his published journals? ALL CRAPPY and all about drugs. I look at the stuff I created in high school when I was on drugs. There are drug referrences in every corner on every page. The songs I wrote were "Dylan" quality lame about getting high and comming down. tThe good stuff was all done in my dry periods.

Even when I was at my worst, I never signed up to a message board that was about hot chicks and intelligent topics and ask "Where can I find drugs? Do you know how to make them?"

My advice kid, take a bath, get a hair cut, get a job. Even I have one of those.
K

[Buster Friendly]

the main problem with sythetics is the quality of 'street acid'... it's damn near impossible to make cleanly outside a lab. so the 'toxicity' issue is HUGE... I've been poisoned so many times it's not even funny. I'm lucky though, I quit before something really bad happened to me, and I know enough about holistic medicine, and wotnot to detox what's left 15 years later... (and psilocybin does contain toxins, it's a mildly poisonous mushroom, the main danger here is mistaking them for a different more toxic species)

cheshire centauri, I don't want you to feel like your position is being unreasonably attacked by ignorant straight edgers who don't know what you're referencing.

I read the collective works of Leary, McKenna, Lilly, Burroughs, et al. too, back when I was into that stuff. I totally discount alot of it as over hyped BS... shit saint carlos casteneda has been proven time, and again to be a completely full of shit fraud (do a google search, you'll come across more than enough info.)

I know that whole Alex Grey 'higher consciousness through etheogens' crowd. They're as full of shit as the saucer contactees...

there are deeper demensions to consciousness, and yeah tribal peoples have used drugs in their rituals for millenia... even MORE tribal people induced trance through auto-hypgnosis/hypnogogic methods... check out the Foundation for Shamanic Studies, and the work of Micheal Harner, or The Coaltion for Dream Change's John Perkins. Both were intitally introduced to ayahusca, and then moved beyond it.

the thing that trips me out isn't that DMT replicates some similar aspects of the neouro-chemicals that cause dreaming... it's that our ownn neurology has MUCH MORE POTENT compounds that are available to us EVERYNIGHT FOR FREE!!!!

I've taken all the drugs, listened to all the lectures, read all the books (exaggerating of course... I've read enough of them, okay?) to know that ultimately psychedelics are a waste of time... I was alot more 'visionary' at 14 before I started taking acid (which I took before I started drinking, or using anything else BTW) then I ever was afterward.... shit, if anything cannibis was what allowed me to become a socialized human being, before that I wouldn't talk to people, and didn't give a rat's ass for shared exprience... yay confomity...

meditation, dream control, trance states are safer faster, cheaper, more reliable, and more effective methods for consciousness exploration...

but hey, what the fuck do I know right? it's probably still 199? and I'm probably still sitting in that movie theater wondering when that first hit of acid will kick in... man, it's been like what? 5 minutes?

[Haze]

All right, I'm sorry. I just recently in the past few months , well.. maybe a year to a year and a half, got into acid and shrooms. No one would tell me anything about any of them. I wanted advice and to learn so I came to ask you guys based on the fact that it seems you all know alot about them. I don't trust many sites because the info is always different. If somebody could relate a site to me about learning the principles of LSD and Shrooms. Possibly what are the called .. GLORY SEEDS? than that would be much appreciated. I looked at a couple posts and I have realised this sight isnt quite what iI thought it was. Thank you for your advice.

[ForrestBlack]

All right, I'm sorry. I just recently in the past few months , well.. maybe a year to a year and a half, got into acid and shrooms. No one would tell me anything about any of them. I wanted advice and to learn so I came to ask you guys based on the fact that it seems you all know alot about them. I don't trust many sites because the info is always different. If somebody could relate a site to me about learning the principles of LSD and Shrooms. Possibly what are the called .. GLORY SEEDS? than that would be much appreciated. I looked at a couple posts and I have realised this sight isnt quite what iI thought it was. Thank you for your advice.

Well, you are certainly welcomed to participate in conversations here, and there are an awful lot of knowledgeable people with a huge range of experiences to share, but obviously it isn't really a how-to cookbook kind of site at all. I'm always curious what leads people to come to the various conclusions that they do about this site though. Having grown up well within the psychedelic crowd in San Francisco, I can honestly say that I have less than no interest in exploring any of that stuff these days, but that's just my choice, based on my experience. I hope that some of the people here have been able to give you some valuable insight, even if it was not what you came here looking for.

[keiko]

Haze~
I'll say this about you: that has got to be the most mature and intelligent response you could have made. Hippie or not, you're cool in my book. Welcome.
K

[cheshire centauri]

My advice kid, take a bath, get a hair cut, get a job. Even I have one of those.
K

um...i'm not a hippy. and in any case, i'll have my hair whatever which way i choose. I thought you were anti-totalitarianism?!

[cheshire centauri]

Sure as hell dosen't help. People are fucked up enough, they sure don't need any drug induced "help" to fuck it up more.

people need to do whatever the fuck they want to do so long as they're not infringing on anyone elses rights as a human.

[cheshire centauri]

how about looking at the genetic damage such drugs do, thats fucking great for the gene pool.
And actually i would say the effects of anti-depressants are illusory, that is why most paitnets must always remain on them and even increase dose. It is a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
As far as the rest of your statements, it is the same typical shit you hear from drug apologists all the time... it is all propaganda to try to justify stupidity.
And, Dylan... no. sorry, not a talented lyricist

How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
Yes, 'n' how many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand?
Yes, 'n' how many times must the cannon balls fly
Before they're forever banned?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

How many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea?
Yes, 'n' how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

[js00000]

You tell your's open minds but you can't talk to a man who choose a different path in his life!!!!!!!!

[Haze]

lol still no body relates me to a site lol

[killerkat]

lol still no body relates me to a site lol

kid,i've spent well over half my life studing,dosing,using,making...all kinds of "substances".....

you ask anyone that's been here as long as i have,and they will agree...


i've only choose to avoid this thread ,for whatever reason i did...

[OliX]

work.... have money to buy your own shit... don't fuck with growing and enjoy your life

or go and gooogle a lil bit more

[killerkat]

kid,i've spent well over half my life studing,dosing,using,making...all kinds of "substances".....

you ask anyone that's been here as long as i have,and they will agree...


i've only choose to avoid this thread ,for whatever reason i did...

my bad,i thought you said "no one relates TO me"...


and yes,you have been told the best source of most known "substances" known to exist...i have personally met th owners,and they place means well to educate people like you...because god knows we aren't going to...

[Haze]

lol thanks killer kat