Why I love quantum metaphysics ;)

[Superna]

We create our own reality--literally--through beliefs we hold.

This life is only one of many that we live in a variety of times and places. The experiences--both pleasant and distressful--which we encounter are no more real than a dream and appear within our lives as educational devices to demonstrate the consequences of our actions. Because the essence of the universe is love, we are safe and taken care of now and through eternity. We have on-going access to information about the nature of reality and our personal lives, but we must use our conscious minds to evaluate this information and to make decisions. Finally and perhaps most important, there is no authority superior to each person's essential self.

We are multidimensional beings who inhabit many realms and who exist throughout eternity; developing continually into more creative and fulfilled individuals.

The universe is of good intent; evil and destruction do not exist except as a scenario. Evidence of evil in the world appears to our senses in order to let us know the consequences of the beliefs we hold, but mankind will awaken from that sadness as from a bad dream.

By acknowledging and, whenever possible, following our impulses, we can discover the purpose of our lives and learn how to act in such a way as to benefit both ourselves and the world.

There is no authority superior to the guidance of a person's inner self. The entity is the basic self, immortal, nonphysical and the individual is the portion of the whole self that you manage to express physically. Desire, wish, and expectation rule all actions and are the basis for all realities. You create your own reality, there are no exceptions!

You create your reality according to your beliefs and expectations, therefore you should examine these carefully. If you do not like some aspect of your world, then examine your own expectations.

Realize that your physical experience and environment is the materialization of your beliefs. If you find great exuberance, health, effective work, abundance, smiles on the faces of those who you meet, then take it for granted that your beliefs are beneficial. If you see a world that is good, people like you, take it for granted again, that your beliefs are beneficial. But if you find poor health, a lack of meaningful work, a lack of abundance, a world of sorrow and evil, then assume your beliefs are faulty and begin examining them.

Your world is formed in faithful replica of your own thoughts...If you think positive suggestions to yourself about a situation you send telepathic ammunition for positive use. You must learn to erase a negative thought or picture by replacing it with its opposite.

You form your own reality. But in forming that reality, you change other realities of which you do not know. The joy, the challenge, the responsibility, the creativity is yours. There is no other message that I can ever give you, or that you can give yourself. You are, each of you, All-That-Is experienced through your own individuality, and the transubstantiation of your flesh.

You should tell yourself frequently 'I will only react to constructive suggestions.' This gives you positive ammunition against your own negative thoughts and those of others. A negative thought, if not erased, will almost certainly result in a negative condition. Say to yourself, 'That is in the past. Now in this new moment, this new present, I am already beginning to change for the better.

It does not do to repress negative thoughts, such as fears, angers, or resentment. They should be recognized, faced and replaced. Recognize resentment when it is felt, and then realize that resentment can be dismissed. Initial recognition must be made. Then you must imagine removing the resentment 'by its roots' and replacing it with a positive feeling. You must watch the pictures that you paint with your imagination. Your environment and the conditions of your life at any given time are the direct result of your own inner expectations. If you imagine dire circumstances, ill health or desperate loneliness, these will be "automatically" materialized, for these thoughts themselves bring about the conditions that will give them a reality in physical terms. If you would have good health then you must imagine this as vividly as you fearfully imagine ill health.
You create your own difficulties. This is true for each individual. The inner psychological state is projected outward, gaining physical reality -whatever the psychological state may be....You cannot escape your own attitudes, for they will form the nature of what you see. If changes are to occur, they must be mental and psychic changes. These will be reflected in your environment. Negative, distrustful, fearful, or degrading attitudes toward anyone work against the self.

Using your free will, you have made physical reality into something quite different than what was intended. You have allowed the ego to become overly developed and specialized. You were here to work out problems and challenges, but you were always to be aware of your own inner reality, and of your nonphysical existence. To a large extent you have lost contact with this. You have focused so strongly upon physical reality that it become the only reality that you know.
You DO make your own reality. I admit that sounds too simple, but you will not be caught in an earthquake if you do not want to be, and no one dies who has not decided to do so. You make your own reality, or you do not. And if you do not, then you are everywhere a victim, and the universe must be an accidental mechanism appearing with no reason. So that the miraculous picture you have seen of your body came accidentally into creation, and out of some cosmic accident attained its miraculous complexity. And that body was formed so beautifully for no reason except to be a victim. That is the only other alternative to forming your own reality. You cannot have a universe in between. You have a universe formed WITH a reason, or a universe formed WITHOUT a reason. And in a universe of reason, there are no victims. Everything has a reason or nothing has a reason. So, choose your side!

[Morning Glory]

sounds good. but if reality is entirely subjective, then why do you assume that people wish to have a reality that is beneficial to them? indeed, why do people feel an urge to feel anything at all and not just be rocks that pass through time and space and conscious? my point is not to frustrate you or calm your mind thinking about some zen paradox, it's that there IS a subjective reality among organisms that is existance. maybe we do exist in different times and places, but what good does that do us right now? although I agree that this is certainly something to think about, I think it has very little relevency in the scheme of things.

[Superna]

I hold firm to my belief, that you should respect Everyone's belief's. In keeping with that, I respect your's and I thank you for sharing your input on my favorite subject perceptive reality .. YAY . Basically, i think the jist of it all is think positively, and creatively and treat others with respect. Personal dogma should definately be left up to the individual , which reminds me.. check out one of my favorite bands INDIVIDUAL on *******

[Morning Glory]

It just seems to me the idea comes into play, If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Although perhaps it is broken, so we do need to come up with a solution. but just this sudden (IE: in the last 100 years) way of thinking outside the box doesn't seem to offer that solution. I'm rambling on here and I don't know what im trying to say.. I guess I'm just saying would you ask Einstein to explain how a beehive works? Im sure he could tell you all about it and fill up a whole book. but the point remains that the bees know how a bee hive works and if they could tell us, they surely wouldn't say it the way proffesor einstein would. being that they have a way of life and a society that has worked unchanged for millions of years, I'd say they are in a better position to talk about the way the world works then we are.

I have a knowledge about how life and the world works, and I don't need to split an atom to see it, I just have to look around me. I know this because people have always known it for millions of years. They just forgot it and lately have felt the need to rediscover it again. Now don't misundertand me, I'm not trying to undermine anything that you're saying, in fact, it's the opposite. We have reached the same conclusion, you just have a way of explaining it that is more deep and detailed then I could phrase.

upon typing this out it brings to mind a poem that a freind of mine wrote.
"I can add apples and oranges, but I can't grow a damn thing. I know the history of the whole world, but I can't seem to shed my own destiny. I know eighty six thousand words, but I can't express what I'm feeling. I can fly a rocket ship to the sun, but that won't help me fix world starvation. maybe if we gave away enough apples and oranges we could build a community. maybe if we knew some kind of real history we could go about making our selves free. maybe if we wrote our own words maybe we could express what we're feeling. maybe if we stop trying to fly to the sun we could find god here inside of everyone."

[Superna]

Very insightful I am delighted in this entire experience.

[sheramil]

We create our own reality--literally--through beliefs we hold... ... Everything has a reason or nothing has a reason. So, choose your side!

i have a former associate whose primary belief is that he is not in prison for running a meth lab.

unfortunately, reality doesn't agree with him. reality thinks he's in jail.

when they come to disagree, guess who prevails?



so much for quantum metaphysics.

[sheramil]

I hold firm to my belief, that you should respect Everyone's belief's.

(stern voice) open your fucking eyes, child.

you don't have a problem with the extreme Islamic practice of clitoridectomy?

you're cool with the Scientologists working their slaves to death?

you're okay with the Hindu tradition of Suttee, where a living widow is burned to death with the body of her former husband?

the Hutu belief that the Tutsi are subhuman and should be exterminated?

the Tutsi's belief that the Hutu are subhuman and should be exterminated?

this is just the surface i could go ON AND ON. the fact that i could go on and on should tell you something.

ah, humanity. one big happy dysfunctional family circus.

[sheramil]

It just seems to me the idea comes into play, If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Although perhaps it is broken, so we do need to come up with a solution.

broken, like "the local council refuse to cut down that tree that's blocking my view of the valley"

is a little different to:

broken, like "the government extermination forces have driven my family into the desert, shot all of my neighbors, burned our houses and torn up our crops, and they'll be back to kill the rest of us tomorrow night."


"The apocalypse is not something which is coming. The apocalypse has arrived in major portions of the planet and it's only because we live within a bubble of incredible privilege and social insulation that we still have the luxury of anticipating the apocalypse. If you go to Bosnia or Somalia or Peru or much of the third-world then it appears that the apocalypse has already arrived." - Terrence McKenna

[Superna]

I guess if you "choose" to construct a meth lab you will simultaneousely be choosing to accept the consequences if you get caught. I believe in choice and consequence of choice, action and appropriate reaction, positive reinforcement instead of negative .. and so on..
Regardless, I choose to remain positive, respectful (of the deserving, which means basically 'good' people), and open minded.
Now, I'm going to create my way into a big bowl of Captain Crunch

[sheramil]

I guess if you "choose" to construct a meth lab you will simultaneousely be choosing to accept the consequences if you get caught.

if you hang out with meth heads long enough you begin to appreciate their lack of long-term planning skills and their inability to match cause with effect. and it's cruel to laugh at them when they accidentally set themselves on fire and can't quite work out what to do next.

[Superna]

if you hang out with meth heads long enough you begin to appreciate their lack of long-term planning skills and their inability to match cause with effect. and it's cruel to laugh at them when they accidentally set themselves on fire and can't quite work out what to do next.

Which is exactly why I don't mess with the stuff, and am content to laugh at their burning bodies from a safe distance

[Amelia G]

I guess if you "choose" to construct a meth lab you will simultaneousely be choosing to accept the consequences if you get caught. I believe in choice and consequence of choice, action and appropriate reaction, positive reinforcement instead of negative .. and so on..
Regardless, I choose to remain positive, respectful (of the deserving, which means basically 'good' people), and open minded.
Now, I'm going to create my way into a big bowl of Captain Crunch

I'm low carbing right now and cereal sounds soooooooooo alluring. Okay, I know it was wrong that post that here, but I had to.

[Mr Karl]

It sounds kind of relative

[Pull~My~Hair]

Superna Im glad that people like you exist in this world, this thought process seems like (if you could commit) such a care free way of looking at things, absolute Zen(:
good thread(:

[Superna]

Superna Im glad that people like you exist in this world, this thought process seems like (if you could commit) such a care free way of looking at things, absolute Zen(:
good thread(:

Thank you Honestly, I have been an extremely happy person since I adopted this philosophy on life about 3 years ago. I have taken myself out of deep depression and self loathing by just changing my way of thinking, without the use of drugs . If I believed in regret (which I don't because I look at every choice as a learning experience) I would regret not having tried this in my dip-shit years ... but I guess I had to be a dip-shit then to be where I am now, so I'm happy I was so retarted.

[Mr Karl]

I just reread the title and realized it said 'metaphysics' and not just plain old physics

[Rockwulf]

We create our own reality--literally--through beliefs we hold.

If that were true you'd be sitting on my lap.

[sheramil]

I just reread the title and realized it said 'metaphysics' and not just plain old physics

physics is the study of the real world, as far as our instruments reveal it.

meta-physics is the study of what people imagine the real world might be. this can mean anything from the study of subatomic particles, to string theory, to soniferous aether, to the giant dish balanced on the backs of the elephants balanced on the giant toad balanced on the bigger giant toad "and it was toads from there on down".

you need an excellent understanding of mathematics in order to study physics, which not everyone has. good example: Saul-Paul Sirag.

in order to study metaphysics.. no requirements. of course, there's no guarantee that what you come up with has any relationship to the real world at all. example: Alex "Time Cube" Chiu.

[Morning Glory]

The apocalypse has arrived in major portions of the planet

I agree with you. however, I might add that I disagree with the the logic that it's so bad in all these other parts of the world. surely there are places in the world that are very intolerable to live in for nearly every one. but the notion that we live in such a paradise and that the way we live is the only thing holding us back from devolving into the chaos all around us is the one that has been used to justify every act of facist hostility and barbarism commited by the "enlightened" civilized world- the very same thing that we claim to want to escape from.

Also the fact that the First World has the highest rates of crime, mental illness, depression, suicide, drug abuse and the overall feeling of meaninglessness in day to day living, I'd say that our way of life is no more sane then in Bosnia or Somalia or Iran.

[Mr Karl]

physics is the study of the real world, as far as our instruments reveal it.

meta-physics is the study of what people imagine the real world might be. this can mean anything from the study of subatomic particles, to string theory, to soniferous aether, to the giant dish balanced on the backs of the elephants balanced on the giant toad balanced on the bigger giant toad "and it was toads from there on down".

you need an excellent understanding of mathematics in order to study physics, which not everyone has. good example: Saul-Paul Sirag.

in order to study metaphysics.. no requirements. of course, there's no guarantee that what you come up with has any relationship to the real world at all. example: Alex "Time Cube" Chiu.

[Mr Karl]

whoops...

uh yeah i know, thats why I was confused at first cause I thought we were talking about quantum physics not quantum metaphysics

[Morning Glory]

let me rephrase that.. if you believe the spirit of an incan potter has inhabbited your body and told you to go surfing, then you are absolutely crazy. but if that keeps you from strapping TNT to yourself and detonating it in the supermarket, then I am very happy for you.

but If God came to you in a dream and told you to fly a plane into the white house... then I'm not gonna comment, cuz he also appeared to someone else and told them to tap my phone.

[BloodredProject2402]

wow, i have been looking for some people to talk about this for about 2 years now, back when my eyes were just being opened to the world around me

[Superna]

wow, i have been looking for some people to talk about this for about 2 years now, back when my eyes were just being opened to the world around me

You can talk to me forever about it.. I love it ! Its my favorite subject next to art and music. I absolutely adore anything that sparks imagination and creativity

[interzone]

jesus christ.

[BloodredProject2402]

You can talk to me forever about it.. I love it ! Its my favorite subject next to art and music. I absolutely adore anything that sparks imagination and creativity

ok, so how do you come to make yourself believe something that you arent sure that does exsist.....in fact....do you know anybooks that i can find at a book store or the library?

[Buster Friendly]

i'm just impressed that you took the time to type all of that Superna...

btw alex chiu has nothing to do with time cube, you evil word humans.

[Mr Karl]

ok, so how do you come to make yourself believe something that you arent sure that does exsist.....in fact....do you know anybooks that i can find at a book store or the library?

The book I suggest is called 'the secret teachings of all ages' by Manly P. Hall, old book always in reprint, best research you can find

[Superna]

I would try reading all kinds of different material, from 'The science of self realization" <<thats a book of hinduism , to 'Seth Speaks- The nature of personal reality' by Jane Roberts ...
thats one of my favorite metaphysical ones..
There's also one online somewhere called "the book of life" that i remember being pretty cool . .. or just google metaphysics and see what they have online Tell me if you discover something cool

[Eva Victoria]

Hey darling,
It's good to see you on here, love your new set. Sorry we didn't have much time to chat during the Folter Fashion show. You seem like a sweet woman!

[BloodredProject2402]

well, i took your advice on looking it up but got intimdated when i started seeing mathmatic equations, no matter how hard i try i can never get good grades in that class....though i think i got the basic principles of it all, i dont know you do it, you must be a genious to understand all of that!

[sheramil]

I agree with you. however, I might add that I disagree with the the logic

not logic. opinion based on what i see and read in the news.

that it's so bad in all these other parts of the world. surely there are places in the world that are very intolerable to live in for nearly every one.

yes. and no-one lives there.

but the notion that we live in such a paradise and that the way we live is the only thing holding us back from devolving into the chaos all around us

what? there's NOTHING holding us back from that. any time the power is off in a city for more than an hour, the place goes to hell. imagine if the power was cut off for a month. the place would burn to the ground.

Also the fact that the First World has the highest rates of crime, mental illness, depression, suicide, drug abuse and the overall feeling of meaninglessness in day to day living,

check out the stats from the Second World. since Russia stopped being officially Socialist, the country has been taken over by gangsters. it's like a 1940s gangster film without the style, charm and also when you get shot in Moscow because some goon wants to impress his girlfriend, then you tend to die.

also, if you're a woman living in the Sudan and you get *****, no-one gives a shit. the police don't do anything and the press don't care, so it doesn't get reported. in the west, at least it gets noticed occasionally.

I'd say that our way of life is no more sane then in Bosnia or Somalia or Iran.

get back to us when whoever runs your country starts organising death squads to kill you and your neighbors.

but of course that can't happen here, can it?

[sheramil]

I would try reading all kinds of different material, from 'The science of self realization" <<thats a book of hinduism , to 'Seth Speaks- The nature of personal reality' by Jane Roberts ...
thats one of my favorite metaphysical ones..

tell us what you know about the Breatharians.

[Morning Glory]

good point, S. Really there is no difference, and that was kinda my point. it's all about your POV.

[interzone]

We create our own reality--literally--through beliefs we hold.

usually this is not a good thing since many of the beliefs that we hold are merely ones superimposed on us by the economic principles which drive our market. The reality that you describe, the one that we have collectively created has become a prison cell without us knowing.

Finally and perhaps most important, there is no authority superior to each person's essential self.

perhaps, but we live in a world of supply and demand and your essential self will be comprised.

I admit that sounds too simple, but you will not be caught in an earthquake if you do not want to be, and no one dies who has not decided to do so.

This is patently ridiculous. My neighbour who died of breast cancer loved her family dearly, she was one of the most life-enthusiastic people i've ever met. She didnt decide to die.

[Superna]

usually this is not a good thing since many of the beliefs that we hold are merely ones superimposed on us by the economic principles which drive our market. The reality that you describe, the one that we have collectively created has become a prison cell without us knowing.






perhaps, but we live in a world of supply and demand and your essential self will be comprised.





This is patently ridiculous. My neighbour who died of breast cancer loved her family dearly, she was one of the most life-enthusiastic people i've ever met. She didnt decide to die.

Sorry you feel that my beliefs are "patently" rediculous, but being a cancer survivor myself, I feel that they have worked well for me . I am a happy person, mostly because of the way I see things as far as the big picture is concerned. I am sorry you are compelled to label someone's else's opinion as rediculous. You can choose to believe whatever you want, that is the whole point.

[sheramil]

Sorry you feel that my beliefs are "patently" rediculous,

RIDICULOUS

I am sorry you are compelled to label someone's else's opinion as rediculous.

RIDICULOUS

You can choose to believe whatever you want, that is the whole point.

not if you're in an Islamic or fundamentalist Xtian household. or scientologists. or anyone living in North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan and large portions of Africa.

..

actually, you have kind of a point, but it has nothing at all to do with quantum anything or anything metaphysics (and you lose a lot of points using that label).

if you're feeling more or less happy and you get robbed, you might think "oh well, they probably needed that DVD player more than I did".

if you're chronically depressed and some sweaty, trembling junkie fuck steals your acoustic guitar, it can send you into a spin for months.

years.

i appreciate that having a positive attitude can lead to a healthier quality of life;

but at what point do you stop trusting the world to behave, and start adding deadbolts to the doors? how many times does a person need to be fucked over before they stop bending over?

[Mr Karl]

tell us what you know about the Breatharians.

That's like a Hilton Hotema thing, long time since I've heard that one

[Mr Karl]

Actually superna, I understand what your saying, well the way I understand it is the creation of synthetic spiritual energy.

of course I've been insane for a long time

[BloodredProject2402]

haha, i was just skimming Breatherins doing some research and it sonds a little too close to brainwashing to me