soft vs hard "drugs"

[kellie]

if they dont use narcan then what do they use for rapid opiate detox, thats probably the most common but i guess they would use another opiate antagonist, i just use narcan as an example because its common.

Ugh, my eyes are hurting, and Im getting bored, and tired.

opiate antagonist are used to treat an overdose. They are not used if you are not on them. They really dont have any effect at all unless your on an opiote.

Our facility has taken quite a liking for Subutex for rapid opiate detox. Along with traxene, ativan, or phenobarb.

[kellie]

People die from inderictly from seizures though, they choke on thier own vomit, fall and break thier necks etc. Its not an issue if they are being detoxed in a supervised enviroment, but if they arent then it is.

Well then they are not really dieing from a seizure are they? They are dieing from breaking their neck, or asphyxiating. 2 things that can also happen from falling down or passing out drunk.

[Flip]

i see that high horse has collapsed....

[Kidthorazine]

yeah but they wouldnt have died if they didnt have a seizure, basically what im saying is that its potentially lethal to detox from barbiturates outside of a supervised enviroment, versus withdrawal from opiates or speed or something where you just feel like total shit for a few days.

[kellie]

yeah but they wouldnt have died if they didnt have a seizure, basically what im saying is that its potentially lethal to detox from barbiturates outside of a supervised enviroment, versus withdrawal from opiates or speed or something where you just feel like total shit for a few days.

This will be my last reply, my interest has gone away, and im ready for bed.

What you are saying sounds to me like " you can die from eating too many laxitives. If you shit your brains out enough, you could fall off the toilet and bust your head on the sink, and bleed to death. In a controlled laxitive eating envrionment, you will be safe, but unattended you may DIE."

Ok, very different than what you were originally trying to portray, but whatever. Game over.

[Kidthorazine]

oh for fucks sake, now youre just playing word games, the facts as i have staed are that barbiturate withdrawal can have potentionaly lethal effects, i have provided data backing this up. Playing semantics is getting old.

[drewblood]

i drank a bunch of wine and did took some ketamine tonight.

i havent done this shit in years... forgot how dissacociative it is.

i dont think i spelled that right.

dissassociative.

haha ya i think thats it

[cheshire centauri]

frankly i wouldnt argue with someone who works in the field.

my friend always says "beware of experts". i think its pretty sound advice.

and frankly, it seems like your cumulative knowledge on this subject is just about the inverse of their combined knowledge...seems u like Kellie though.

[Morning Glory]

aren't you the infamous troll?

[mr_d]

Regardless of the lethality of drugs, most of the drug laws in the United States were originally created as a way for President Nixon to imprison subversives and minorities who opposed the Vietnam war. He couldn't outright oppress protests but many young people who protested were also involved in the drug culture of the time and this gave him a weapon to fight back with. 35 years later, the unwinable War on Drugs continues but its purpose is mostly to support the existing bureaucracy than to make any real effort in preventing drug use.

[cheshire centauri]

aren't you the infamous troll?

yes

[Kidthorazine]

Regardless of the lethality of drugs, most of the drug laws in the United States were originally created as a way for President Nixon to imprison subversives and minorities who opposed the Vietnam war. He couldn't outright oppress protests but many young people who protested were also involved in the drug culture of the time and this gave him a weapon to fight back with. 35 years later, the unwinable War on Drugs continues but its purpose is mostly to support the existing bureaucracy than to make any real effort in preventing drug use.

most of the drug laws started long before nixon, and where racially motivated, Nixon did push to make LSD illegal, and made prison sentences harsher (the whole reefer madness II movement was more propaganda related than law related)