do right wing christians ever fact check themselves?

[Kidthorazine]

http://www.capalert.com/backtoschool/backtoschool.htm some of this is the biggest load of crap i have ever read note especialy the sections on the peace symbol and the yin and yang the author of this article must be very misinformed

[hewhoisagod]

no they don't........ but then again these are the same people that think in the Old Testament way of everyone but us is stupid so we must kill them.

[morbid_lady]

i was taught never to trust a christian. i have so far in my life tried to keep an open mind about everyone. but time and time again my mothers words have been proven true, and this is just another thing that makes me mistrust christians. i really try to treat ppl equal and not be prejudice to anyone, but i am increasingly feeling an extreme amount of bigotry towards christian even more so to catholics.

did u know that they tried to boycot harry potter books because of the references to the occult!!!!

[Forestghost]

y'know something interesting? I wonder what the Christians (or anyone for that fact) would think of LeVay's Church of Satan if the dogma was presented without reference to Satan? I'm an athiest, so I'm pretty unbiased (at least I like to think I am) and I have found that some of the Church of Satan ideologies make more sense than the Christian ideologies.

The above link is misinformed foolishness...a few of the facts are indeed correct, however each symbol is used according to how the individual wants to use it. I have a Yin-Yang and a Peace sign tattooed on my back, but neither have any religious meaning for me, they simply represent harmony and peace.

It's amazing how people can write anything they want on the internet and have people believe it!

[aXa]

lol, that was really funny! this article must be based on some of the stuff i read back in the late 80's or early 90's. i remember a piece by either gary or george larson(not the guy who does "far side", mind you) linking D&D to satanism. and anything occult in general to satanism. i read the book "satanism" by wade baskin and found out alot of the things he mentions regarding those symbols. ive heard about "the satanic meaning" of symbols such as the peace sign, anarchy A and the yin and yang before. i once had to deal w a friends father who believed that the peace sign i was wearing was satanic. he asked me to either remove it or leave his house!
i want to mention a few things about his symbol list:
anarchy sign: ive seen this used by young teens who were in the rebellion stage of growing up. they used it to represent their rejection of all things good and right. laws and order mostly the status quo. i dont ever recall anyone reading into as much as this writer tho. its religious connotations are beyond most users.
pentagram/pentacle: i have to mention this, because its not well documented nowadays. the writer claims, "Either way, it is not from or of God." this is not entirely true. it used to be used to represent the divine. for instance, in "sir gawain, the green knight" this symbol was used on his shield to repesent "the divine mother" mary. but he was more a knight of the Goddess than the God. iit has many uses outside of the judeochristian worldview. it is usually the one point upward version that symbolizes the Goddess(feminine), while the inverted, one point down version that represented the God(man). usually it was used to symbolize the horned god, especially Pan who was later diabolized into the devil.
he does make the distinction between its two forms in terms of white and black magic. ive seem many ppl who use it merely for its shock value. and ppl still cant make the distinction between the two forms!
hexagram, star of david: this is just bad. i mean, how long ago did ppl stop believing that the jews were evil? i know a few rascists who used an argument like this to justify there rascist agendas. he says that the "egyptians used this unholy icon". yes, they did, but it wasnt unholy to them! it is a big symbol in the "hermetic tradition." it is symbolic of the belief in "as above, so below": macrocosm, microcosm. think of it as two triangles interlocked, one up one down.
swastika: they dont mention how it was used by some ppl(native americans, i believe) in a reversed form to reprent the movements of nature. however, any use of this symbol was tarnished by hitler. i know many ppl who will never use it bacause of its association with the holocaust, not the other way around, as this author claims!
peace symbol: this too was used by hitler, to mark the graves of his officers for instance. it was officially adopted as a symbol of modern pacifism by a demonstration led by bertrand russell in 1958. it was used by Nero, "as the sign of the broken jew." i do not know of it being used for initiation into any satanic groups, and the uses it has therein are news to me.
yin and yang: the one thing that the author misses here, is that these "opposing forces" as being shown in balance! this is what ive always seen in this symbol. that you cant have one without the other. it represents dualism. ive never seen it used as one over the other.
ugh, this could go on forever....

[Kidthorazine]

the thing that really got me was that the modern peace symbol and the broken cross are actually different and have different origins upon looking this up i read that the modern peace symbol was created by bertrand russell and is a combination of the semaphore symbols for N and D which stands for nuclear disarment which is of course completely satanic in nature BTW you should read some of the websites movie reviews i was particularly disturbed by the one for the Birdcage

[Morning Glory]

what bunch of fucking bullshit. Anarchism is not a "teenage rebellion against the status qou, and against the 'law' and all things 'good'." if anyone bothered to read a history book, (yeah I know, the horror that you might actaully learn a FACT) you'd see that there was such an anarcho-syndicalist "state" that formed in Spain in the 1930's. The fundamentals of this society were based around libertarian socialism IE: non-leninism. The leading revolutionary power in Spain that overthrew the old monarchy wanted a Republican state, but they were peaceful to the anarchist factions, and did not infringe on them or dispute thier borders. This pissed off the U.S. because they did not want a non-capitalist and especially a non-sympathetic to western-economics State in Europe, So they were greatly opposed to the Spanish Republicans rule and sided with such other great humanitarians as the Russian Soviets, The German Nazi party, and especially the Italian Fascists, all of whom also opposed Spain. The U.S Signed a "Neutrality Act" toward Spain, but the Roosevelt adminisration allowed Texaco to supply oil to the Italian Military (which was highly illegal accordign to this new Act they just passed, but they didn't take any legislation to put a stop to the trade, becasue it was of course, in favor of thier intrest.) So the short-lived anarchist state was quickly defeated by the fascists.

[Tequila Zaire]

To be honest...the people they want to piss off with sites like that give them all the ammunition and attention they need...so why bother with facts?

[memorydream]

It's a rare thing that anyone checks their facts all the way. I wonder if it would just change their minds too much to really even stick with the mainstream.

[BrightStar]

"Facts have no place in an organized religion!"- Superintendant Chalmers

[keiko]

Some people just need to be beaten. Like this fucktard for instance....
K

[BrightStar]

Some people just need to be beaten. Like this fucktard for instance....
K

Agreed!

[CorporateGoth]

but i am increasingly feeling an extreme amount of bigotry towards christian even more so to catholics.

did u know that they tried to boycot harry potter books because of the references to the occult!!!!

Dont fool yourself, Catholics are Christians too. This is exactly the kind of thing that I used to hear from my mom when I was growing up. Some people are programmed to swallow any load of shit that organized religion will force feed them. Back in the day, it was KISS, and D&D and anything else that the "fringe" of society migrated towards obviously had to be the work of Lucifer. Personally, I think Satan is far too busy running the 700 club to be bothered with such trivial things as Anarchy signs and such....

[OliX]

this is so funny.... they are diging their own grave

[Jax]

Im having a lovely discussion with the creator of that website, and hes transferring me on to the 'doctors' who studied it and claim that crap to be fact. Amazing.

I need better things to do.

[Goat on Fire]

this is so irritating. it's interesting to find out that people that stupid actually exist...

[Goat on Fire]

HOWEVER, i've hard of an even dumber case....

There was this woman (a doctor of phychology, by the way) who stared a US coast to coast wide crusade against ROLE PLAYING GAMES!!!

Her son commited suicide, and he was a role-player. She claimed that the D20 RPG system is "Evil", and her MAIN arguement was that the highest grade of the elementary values you can get are 3D6 (a number 6 on all 3 dies)...

How readily do people stupify themselves just to shift the blame to others?

The most terrfying thing was the she was an actual "HEAD DOCTOR"!!! she should know better than that...

[Kidthorazine]

oh i was wondering why i felt so much closer to the dark lord satan after playing D&D well its good that such fun activities can help me build my personal relationship with satan...

[morbid_lady]

i find alot of it to be quite halarious, considering all the contridictions.

many of those symbols (ex. anhk, ying-yang) were around long before christianity, long before jesus were borns, and definately long before the idea of worshipping only one god. they had no way of even knowing of these beliefs.

and the anhk was accually adopted by the christians to represent the reincarnation of christ.

the stretch that author had to go to explain how the anarchy symbol can represent satan is very reminiscent of the stretch christians had to make to explain was AC/DC was connected with satan. the name AC/DC was accually found on the back of a guitar amplipher.....according to bible thumpers it meant anti-christ, devils childern...

and ppl wondering why i was taught not to trust christians, they are the biggest bullshitting conartist in the world...

[morbid_lady]

Dont fool yourself, Catholics are Christians too. This is exactly the kind of thing that I used to hear from my mom when I was growing up. Some people are programmed to swallow any load of shit that organized religion will force feed them. Back in the day, it was KISS, and D&D and anything else that the "fringe" of society migrated towards obviously had to be the work of Lucifer. Personally, I think Satan is far too busy running the 700 club to be bothered with such trivial things as Anarchy signs and such....

i do know that catholics are christians, what i meant by that was that i find catholics to be the most ignorant of the christian sects

[Kidthorazine]

i do know that catholics are christians, what i meant by that was that i find catholics to be the most ignorant of the christian sects

true. but at least they are trying to improve somewhat i still thing the hardcore right southern babtists are much worse

[Goat on Fire]

oh i was wondering why i felt so much closer to the dark lord satan after playing D&D well its good that such fun activities can help me build my personal relationship with satan...

LOL Yeah. The next thing I expect is police officers asking random people on the street what their characters "alingment" is, and if it's Lawful Good or Chaotic Evil, they teleport you directly to the nearest psychiatrist.

Also, crack dealers will no longer deal crack. They'll be selling RPG dice!!! And Handbooks, too! LOL

[Goat on Fire]

THIS POST IS WAY TOO LONG AND BESIDES THAT IS OF NO CONTRIBUTION TO THE DISCUSSION. IT ALSO FAILS TO ADRESS THE TOPIC. I JUST FELT THE NEED TO POST WHATS ON MY MIND, ANYWAY. I SUGGEST THAT YOU JUST SKIP IT, OR READ IT IF YOURE REALLY BORED.

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IT IS ALSO NOT A REPLY TO THE FOLLOQING QUOTE, BUT WAS RATHER A THOUGHT SEQUENCE SET IN MOTION BY IT. DO NO FEEL OFFENDED.

i do know that catholics are christians, what i meant by that was that i find catholics to be the most ignorant of the christian sects

and here we go...


I think that you're very wrong about the Catholic Christians beeing the worst of all christian sects.

I'm from a small Balcan country, you've probably heard of - Serbia; but I've had the chance to see all three "official" Christian sects: the Orthodox, Cathocil and Protestant; in practice, as well as learn as much as I could tolerate the nerve-wrecking idiocy of all 3!!!

Not because they're "my problem", but objectively, i think that the Orthodox are the MOST IDIOTIC OF ALL.

During my part of life while I lived in Sweden, we had a Subject called "Religion". It divided the school year into six even periods and dedicated each, to studying one of the six "big ones": Judism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and... oh, dammit i cant remember the 6th. That was a subject suggested and put to practice by the Protestant Church. According to me, they're the least idiotic, but still that IS NO COMPLIMENT!

Several years later (long after the fall of comminism in serbia), the same subject appeared under the same label yet of a different substance.

They've employed Orthodox good-for-nothing-but-Zyclon-gas-chambers priests to teach what is the "right way of religious thoght" in gymnasiums. They've even tried to include the subject in elementary school. PLUS, it was intended to be and OBLIGATORY SUBJECT!!!

And for all that, we have our new anti-scientific shallow-minded Ministry of Education to thank. Yes, I do hate her as much as you might presume.

The orthodox christian church, also advises that people should disbelieve "Darwin's Theory of Evolution" because it's "Satanic". Would you allow such a RETARD CLUB to organise a school subject if you had a child? Would you like your child to think that he/she was "made by the hand of god, out of.... uuhhhh... mud? and... clay? yeah, clay! that's it! and some hay as well!

Correct me if i'm worng, but, the Catholic Church actually admitted that "the world is round" sometimes during the 1980s. Better late than never!!! We can only but hope that they'll figure out that Mary couldn't 'ave gotten pregnant in any way, UNLESS she was an unfinished transvestite (first female and then semi-male), and had a really flexible dick so she could fuck herself in the unremoved vagina. Somehow i doubt it! LOL!

The orthodox church is still discussin the topic of the world beeing round. MEGA-LOL

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And the "Orthodix Mass"... people getting drunk, high and partially-naked in publuc, having anal sex, cheating on their mates etc...

and still they bare the cross proudly. whatsmore, they make it seen all the time. people around here dont wear small, "normal size" crosses. HERE THEY'RE COLLOSAL! LIKE FUCKING HUUUUGE!!! BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS TO SEE THAT THEY'RE ONE OF GOD'S LITTLE BRAINWASHED LAMBS!

Whatsmore, I constantly get shit from such people, for having long hair (and what about their priests?), wearing black a lot (and what about their priests?), listening to metal music, as well as other, so proclaimed "satanic" music-genres, and basically ANYTHING ELSE WHICH MAKES ME DIFFERENT FROM THE IDIOTIC MASS!!!

to make it even worse, i get the same shit as above, but for beeing "CONFUSED BY TAKING SATANISM SERIOUSLY", from little-idiotic-wannabe-dangerous-so-they-wear-an-inverted-cross-and-have-black-hair-cause-they're-"SOOO-VOODOO/WICCA-ARCH-MAGES" kids. The same people who, at the highpoit of their hypocrisy, pray for forgiveness from thier pathetic non-existant god for looking "satanic", and suddenly forget all about their dangerous look, on each christian-religious holiday. I wish all of them would die, just to stop making me look bad. What happens to their "horned fist" which they toss around so prouldly on concerts, when the time of the xtian holiday comes??? Where did that reversed pentagram suddenly dissapear???

This goes for certain (NOT ALL) musicians as well, who TOO, throw shit around me, but not for beeing Satanic... it's even worse; for beeing: NON-CHRISTIAN!!! Did thier horned left hand suddenly sink into thier inner-jacket pocket to refer to a couple of phrases from the bible, instead of working out the common sence themselves?

And the first mass which i've described (the MEGA-XTIANS) also gives me shit for misinterpreting me for the second one ("OH SO EVIL AND INFERNAL KIDS IN EGO CRISIS") i've described, proclaiming me to be a person who's immature and passing through a temporary phase.

FUCK, WHAT A SOUP OPERA!!!

I know i havent said much yet posted a HUGE text, but i REALLY needed a diatribe. I feel better already. Now exuse me while i go and clean my blood stained horns :-) LOL

Sorry about that, I'll try to avoid it in the future :-)

[morbid_lady]

i was speaking only from my own personal experiences, people i have met, artictle i have read and other such things.

i live in a small community, that has many different churches, but there are no orthodox churches in my town or the surrounding area so i really havent had any interactions with that type of christian so i really cant say anything about them.

[Morning Glory]

[QUOTE=morbid_lady]
the stretch that author had to go to explain how the anarchy symbol can represent satan is very reminiscent of the stretch christians had to make to explain was AC/DC was connected with satan. the name AC/DC was accually found on the back of a guitar amplipher.....according to bible thumpers it meant anti-christ, devils childern...
QUOTE]

yeah, godamn fucking Electricity! With it's Alternating Currents/Direct Currents! It must be a tool of SATAN!

[bre.star]

wow i found some interesting new symbols for my next shirt creation...

people are crazy i tell you

[Goat on Fire]

i was speaking only from my own personal experiences, people i have met, artictle i have read and other such things.

i live in a small community, that has many different churches, but there are no orthodox churches in my town or the surrounding area so i really havent had any interactions with that type of christian so i really cant say anything about them.

yeah i know. i never meant to attack you.

[LrdSatanas]

crazy misguided zombies. roflmao the star of david satanic?. I rember i did abbacadabba on the sat and got a 950 funny huh.

[One Eyed Cat]

Fact checking is the death of a christian conservative.


OEC

[Mr Karl]

oh yeah , how else can you distort them if you dont have them accurate in the first place, besides , in order to have the biggest club in existence you got to be doing something right

[skully]

yin and yang: the epitomey of balance and equality... "but pay attention to which side is on top... the side on top show's which side they favor" stupid contridiction... wow this is worse then the most unrealistic of the consipiracy theories in the movie "conspiracy theory"

[morbid_lady]

the abracadabra i can see how christians would consider it part of the occult, because it technically is. it is a spell used by the Romany (gypsy). spells and other such esoteric things are part of the occult.

it is part of a spell that is said to help win a bet (the Romanies being a culture that is very much into gambling)

i have the spell some where i'll have to go look for it.

[morbid_lady]

found it....

TO WIN A BET

light 7 green candles and say

abracadabra
abracadabr
abracadab
abracada
abracad
abraca
abrac
abra
abr
ab
a

repeat 7 times and extinguish the candle. Do this for 7 days, when u place ur bet u r more likely to win.

[memorydream]

I'm certainly not Christian, but did anyone hear President Jimmy Carter's interview on NPR. He just wrote a novel, but most of the time they spent talking about his presidency, projects and policies. He is an evangelical and yet he was huge on food for the poor, education aid, state emergencies (like when Mt. Saint Helens blew up in Washington state) and even was a proponent of alternative energy. Whatever happened to fundamentalists like that? I thought the "fundamentals" were to love the Lord God with all your heart and thy neighbor as thyself. Of course, with how some people treat themselves, maybe that's not such a great idea.