What do you think about racial profiling?

[Amelia G]

I was just watching an old episode of The West Wing on DVD and they had a bit about a nominee who had come out in favor of racial profiling as it functions as a tool for law enforcement.

On the one hand, I was raised to be genuinely color blind. My parents were two of the first card-carrying members of the NAACP and they never could figure out how to explain differences to their children, so they just didn't. This meant that I just totally didn't process the data on which of my friends (or enemies) were a particular color or had a particular last name or whatever. It wasn't that I overlooked it or overcame it; I just didn't even see those things as data points. I thought prejudice was something from history books until I was in my teens and I thought serious blatant guiltless prejudice was something from history books until later than that. I still tend to find prejudice based on racial factors both surreal and wrong.

Nonetheless, I also am immensely irritated by the aggressive refusal to profile anyone who is flying. To keep things fair, the people in charge of our security make sure flying is insanely unpleasant for everyone and not just people who fit various likely terrorist profiles. I'm not sure flying should suck just because a person has a Middle Eastern name, but I'm not sure that making it suck for everyone instead is the best way to avoid that.

What do you think about racial profiling?

[killerkat]

i think,it's pretty damn fucked up,becuse god forbid of something like that EVER provided anything to justice,IT's been killed since the begining,with the inner racism of such a huge portion of those who use that system ie:cops,politicians,ect,ect.........

i grew kind of like you ,with NO idea of skin color as a diference......

[devil13]

I dont care for the term "color blind" I know what color you are you know what color you are Im not blind to the fact that your another color. I do treat everyone the same no matter what color you are. if your an ass than your an ass no matter what color you are.
I have been pulled over by cops many many times. for the same reasons that most people who complain about racial profiling get pulled over for. what happens is the cops just want to check me out so they come up with any bullshit reason to pull me over. I usually give them a hard time and I usually dont even get a ticket. cops are just assholes sometimes. just like everone else there is nice ones and theres assholes.

[Kidthorazine]

I dont believe in any type of stereotypical profiling of any sort racial or not except in really extreeme cases like when someone has visible gang tattoos and whatnot but even then only when there is a valid threat which i know is kind of subjective. I've been stoped by cops before for looking like a "druggie" and they treid to get me to consent to a search which would have involved emptying my pockets and possibly being patted down in public and needless to say I gave them a lot of shit.

[bre.star]

I deffinetly think that racial profiling is ridiculous. WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS. If I dislike someone it's because of their friggin personality not because of their ethnicity. I will admit I absolutely can't stand 90% of the population and it has nothing to do with where they come from. To racial profile is wrong! Just because one friggin foreigner from a certain country treats me like a stupid dumbass because I can't understand what they say doesn't mean I am going to hate the next foreigner from the same country who is absolutely polite and patient!

[Evilbink]

I say " Good for the goose, good for the gander" There are just as many crazy/killer/wacko white folks as any other ethnic group. Let's face it.. people in general are fucked up.

[Amelia G]

The issue about racial profiling which I find difficult is that it is supposed to be based on statistics rather than on individual prejudice. I just find it difficult to separate my own loathing of prejudice from the potential practicality of profiling for law enforcement. An individual asshole cop is going to occasionally pull someone over for DWB no matter what because sometimes, like devil13 said, certain specific cops are assholes. I live in Los Angeles and there is a lot of car culture here and having a nice ride sure as hell doesn't mean any minority here is more likely to be a criminal of any sort.

By the way, off-topic, but never ever give a policeman permission to search your car. If they are asking for permission, it is because they do not have probable cause and would have trouble getting a warrant. If they do not have probable cause, then they are wasting your time and harrassing you if you have nothing to hide and you are putting yourself at risk if you do have something to hide. Never ever agree to that. /end tangent

Anyway, in combatting international terrorism, I'm not convinced we benefit by destroying the airline industry. I used to fly all the time and now I never do. And there is still profiling in many airport safety searches; it just ends up being up to individual asshole prejudice rather than institutionalized statistical analysis.

Oh and, devil13, what term would you used for how I was raised. I really had no clue about racial or religious differences and little clue about gender ones. I am living proof that children do have to be taught, not only to hate, but to see differences where there are none. Sure, I knew my skin was very pale white. I knew what my hair and eye color were too. People who were taught about prejudice growing up generally think everyone else must be hyper-aware of such data points as they were taught are important, but they might not be able to get all their friends' eye colors right in a pop quiz.

If I worked airport security, I would have to be taught what data points are important because I have no "natural" knowledge of such things.

[ForrestBlack]

One of my issues with the racial profiling debate is that at it's core, it's not really about race, for the most part, it's about appearance. But, if you get pulled over for looking like a druggie, a hippie, a punk, gay, etc. you somehow don't get to complain about it in the same terms as someone searched for being middle eastern or pulled over for being black, etc. So, as a racial issue, I would have to object, but I feel that investigating people that actually fit an actually valid profile is somewhat reasonable, so long as it stays within the confines of the law and our civil rights. The difficulty is that most people are just really bad at profiling and when they get it wrong, it kinda sucks. I get followed around in the record store, I guess they don't like how I dress, but in reality, I get most of my CDs for free. It would be easier for me to call the record label and have them send me what I wanted. I'm not about to lift some crappy little disk. However, a GOOD security professional might actually have a good track record of picking likely shoplifters by applying informed behavioral analysis, and I'm not sure that's wrong. It just doesn't really have everything to do with race.

[Amelia G]

One of my issues with the racial profiling debate is that at it's core, it's not really about race, for the most part, it's about appearance. But, if you get pulled over for looking like a druggie, a hippie, a punk, gay, etc. you somehow don't get to complain about it in the same terms as someone searched for being middle eastern or pulled over for being black, etc. So, as a racial issue, I would have to object, but I feel that investigating people that actually fit an actually valid profile is somewhat reasonable, so long as it stays within the confines of the law and our civil rights. The difficulty is that most people are just really bad at profiling and when they get it wrong, it kinda sucks. I get followed around in the record store, I guess they don't like how I dress, but in reality, I get most of my CDs for free. It would be easier for me to call the record label and have them send me what I wanted. I'm not about to lift some crappy little disk. However, a GOOD security professional might actually have a good track record of picking likely shoplifters by applying informed behavioral analysis, and I'm not sure that's wrong. It just doesn't really have everything to do with race.

Good point. The debate about profiling always suggests it is just a racial issue, but the Israelis, who have been worried about terrorism far longer than we have, do profile and they could hardly stop everyone with a Middle Eastern name who flies El Al. They have a complex set of data points they look for and known country of origin is only one.

[devil13]

One of my issues with the racial profiling debate is that at it's core, it's not really about race, for the most part, it's about appearance. But, if you get pulled over for looking like a druggie, a hippie, a punk, gay, etc. you somehow don't get to complain about it in the same terms as someone searched for being middle eastern or pulled over for being black, etc. So, as a racial issue, I would have to object, but I feel that investigating people that actually fit an actually valid profile is somewhat reasonable, so long as it stays within the confines of the law and our civil rights. The difficulty is that most people are just really bad at profiling and when they get it wrong, it kinda sucks. I get followed around in the record store, I guess they don't like how I dress, but in reality, I get most of my CDs for free. It would be easier for me to call the record label and have them send me what I wanted. I'm not about to lift some crappy little disk. However, a GOOD security professional might actually have a good track record of picking likely shoplifters by applying informed behavioral analysis, and I'm not sure that's wrong. It just doesn't really have everything to do with race.

I took some DOJ classes in college the teachers are L.A. County Sheriffs. this is their philosophy= if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck.... 9 times out of 10 it will be
and Amelia if you dont say yes to a search, thats probible cause to get a warrent to search and you will be detained for a longer period of time.

[Amelia G]

I took some DOJ classes in college the teachers are L.A. County Sheriffs. this is their philosophy= if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck.... 9 times out of 10 it will be
and Amelia if you dont say yes to a search, thats probible cause to get a warrent to search and you will be detained for a longer period of time.

I think the hardest part is determining which data points are pertinent for duck identification and which are ignorant prejudice. I'd assume that there are County Sheriffs who are great at picking out ducks and some not so much.

I've only once ever been in a car where the driver agreed to a search and I caught a cold standing outside on a winter's eve while drug dogs sniffed at Taco Bell in the glove box. I've never been in a situation where the driver said okay and got held up for a warrant. It is a right as an American not to submit to unlawful search and seizure. Refusing a search is absolutely not probable cause. If it were, then the Bill of Rights would just be a piece of paper.

[killerkat]

I . If it were, then the Bill of Rights would just be a piece of paper.

it is slowly becoming just that ie:patriot act......


but that's just my un-intelligent addition to the discussion.......

[ForrestBlack]

...and Amelia if you dont say yes to a search, thats probible cause to get a warrent to search and you will be detained for a longer period of time.

That's an abuse of the spirit of the law as well as a violation of civil rights and a decent lawyer could do well with it. But, I'd certainly prefer to simply have nothing to hide and not be in the situation to begin with. I got pulled over in DC, I had corn-rows and braids. I think it was supposed to be DWB. They even brought in the drug dogs to search my car and it was fucking freezing standing on the highway in the dead of winter. The dogs went bananas because I had Taco Bell in the car, but no traces of drugs so all was well in the world. I was released, along with the other two half naked girls in my car. I do imagine that if they wanted to search the car with their dogs and I refused, my life would have been a drag, but I SHOULD have the right to refuse under the existing laws, since they really didn't have any probable cause other than my hair style. I think it's wrong that they would overstep the bounds of their power and I think it makes people respect the police a lot less than we should. In a just society people would be less scared of interactions with the police and I think that would be positive when it came to investigations of real crimes.

[killerkat]

that's the thing ,man,every cop i've ever talked to ,agreed that they like the intimidating factor what are alot of cops out there,people that "inside" are power hungary people,were intimidation is a great,uhh. want?..

that's why they started making cops were Pnk in that country,to be less intimidating=real cops over there.....

[devil13]

Oh and, devil13, what term would you used for how I was raised. I really had no clue about racial or religious differences and little clue about gender ones. I am living proof that children do have to be taught, not only to hate, but to see differences where there are none. Sure, I knew my skin was very pale white. I knew what my hair and eye color were too. People who were taught about prejudice growing up generally think everyone else must be hyper-aware of such data points as they were taught are important, but they might not be able to get all their friends' eye colors right in a pop quiz.

The Human Genome Project thus far has revealed that roughly 99.9 percent of the DNA of every person on the planet is identical. Human variation, in height, skin color, and so forth, is actually determined by a tiny fraction of the genome. And genetic variations within ethnic groups are wider than those between different groups. Wells, who has studied 200 different genetic markers on the Y chromosome in samples from different areas of the world, argues that most people have multiple markers reflecting extensive migration and intermarriage, though ultimately, we all carry in our genes the traces of African ancestry. As Professor Chris Stringer of London's Natural History Museum says, "We are all African under the skin."

[KilLAtomiK]

Racial profiling is just awfull, at my previous job working at a shoe store my boss was the most racist ignorant prick ive ever met. he made me follow around evry "suspicious" person that walked into the store. by suspicious he prety much meant black or anyone with a shaved head. not only did i feel like an asshole following people arround but i could tell the potential customers felt weirded out alot of times people just walked out of the store and i knew why. i was actualy confronted by people asking why i kept following them and i felt like a freakin idiot explaining to them that my boss thought they looked like they were goin to do something and i had to stay within 3 feet of them at all times. long story short i quit that shithole job and even tho im still unemployed its better than being there

[devil13]

I do imagine that if they wanted to search the car with their dogs and I refused, my life would have been a drag, but I SHOULD have the right to refuse under the existing laws, since they really didn't have any probable cause other than my hair style.

do you really beleive that a cop cant make up probible cause? he can just say he smelled an oder coming from the car that he thought may have been drugs. it that easy.when I get pulled over I will be nice until I find out why he pulled me over then I can be an ass because I know Im clean and there is nothing he can bust me for.

[Amelia G]

The Human Genome Project thus far has revealed that roughly 99.9 percent of the DNA of every person on the planet is identical. Human variation, in height, skin color, and so forth, is actually determined by a tiny fraction of the genome. And genetic variations within ethnic groups are wider than those between different groups. Wells, who has studied 200 different genetic markers on the Y chromosome in samples from different areas of the world, argues that most people have multiple markers reflecting extensive migration and intermarriage, though ultimately, we all carry in our genes the traces of African ancestry. As Professor Chris Stringer of London's Natural History Museum says, "We are all African under the skin."

If law enforcement were to profile, Africans don't tend to blow up American airplanes though. I suppose perhaps black Saudis might, but I think those would be different data points for security professionals to look for. My mother's parents lived in Africa for some time and I don't recall them ever being concerned about terrorism.

Maybe the biggest problem for identifying terrorists effectively without eroding the freedom of all Americans is that it is viewed as, almost by definition, racial, when maybe race is only one small data point in the map.

[ForrestBlack]

The Human Genome Project thus far has revealed that roughly 99.9 percent of the DNA of every person on the planet is identical. Human variation, in height, skin color, and so forth, is actually determined by a tiny fraction of the genome. And genetic variations within ethnic groups are wider than those between different groups. Wells, who has studied 200 different genetic markers on the Y chromosome in samples from different areas of the world, argues that most people have multiple markers reflecting extensive migration and intermarriage, though ultimately, we all carry in our genes the traces of African ancestry. As Professor Chris Stringer of London's Natural History Museum says, "We are all African under the skin."

I think that cultural factors play a big role in the successful predictability of behavioral traits, but race is not always the most influential cultural factor. That's where we get into problems. People from a certain area of New York might have a fairly predictable response to certain stimuli, while people of the same race, from San Francisco might also have a fairly predictable yet different response to the same stimuli. So, culture plays a part more than race, and race is not a very strong determiner of culture. Also, cultures change over a much shorter period of time than racial signifiers. So, building a case for racial profiling would be very difficult, while building a case for law enforcement specialists in the areas of behavioral profiling would seem much more reasonable.

[Amelia G]

do you really beleive that a cop cant make up probible cause? he can just say he smelled an oder coming from the car that he thought may have been drugs. it that easy.when I get pulled over I will be nice until I find out why he pulled me over then I can be an ass because I know Im clean and there is nothing he can bust me for.

If they will all just make stuff up, they could make up that the baggie of heroin in their pocket was yours too.

[ForrestBlack]

do you really beleive that a cop cant make up probible cause? he can just say he smelled an oder coming from the car that he thought may have been drugs. it that easy.when I get pulled over I will be nice until I find out why he pulled me over then I can be an ass because I know Im clean and there is nothing he can bust me for.

I think there is no good reason to be an ass in that situation, however, I was talking about what was right and what was just. Sure, people can lie and circomvent the laws that are there to protect us all, but that would make them no better than the criminals they were assigned to protect us from. That sort of action is what makes people think of officers as a gang in blue, rather than the agency there to protect us and serve us, in the interest of public good.

[devil13]

If law enforcement were to profile, Africans don't tend to blow up American airplanes though.

???????
I was answering your question on what I would have said instead of color blind. "We are all African under the skin."

[Cafe_Post_Mortem]

Racial profiling is stupid. Like Forrest said, often the profiling is done on appearance and I am not even crazy about that.

Now racial profiling on Airlines. The hassle you experience is unessisary, it is the result of not spnding money wisely. In vegas you are watched like a hawk, but it is never intrusive. Unobtrusive and effective. So why can't we have that at airports? Why are airports paying some guy who flunked out of burger college to check my bags?

But does racial profiling work? First, how does the guy who has lived and worked in Ohio all of his life suddenly become a profiling expert? How does he tell say a Costa Rican from and Afgani? Second, as Amelia pointed out, what points do you use for the profile? Skin color? Accent? And my final point, if you are profiling doesn't that increase the likelyhood you will miss someone who doesn't fit the profile? What if say an ex soldier who is white and fairly clean cut from Kansas decides he is going to blow something up? Won't racial profiling make us less likely to suspect him?

We have the means to unobtrusively make air travel safe, we just would rather make people submit credit reports and do racial profiling.

[devil13]

If they will all just make stuff up, they could make up that the baggie of heroin in their pocket was yours too.

if a cop has some H in his pocket to plant on someone then there is going to be more of a court battle than if he states that he smelled something. I wouldnt be able to prove that he didnt smell something but I can prove that I dont do H.

[Amelia G]

???????
I was answering your question on what I would have said instead of color blind. "We are all African under the skin."

Ah, I see what you are saying. I don't mean it politically though. I suppose my parents might have been making a political statement when they chose to raise me unaware that some people thought skin color could be any more of a factor in personality traits than eye color. It is not that I believe I am African under the skin. I just wasn't raised to notice skin color in any significant way.

[devil13]

I think there is no good reason to be an ass in that situation, however, I was talking about what was right and what was just. Sure, people can lie and circomvent the laws that are there to protect us all, but that would make them no better than the criminals they were assigned to protect us from. That sort of action is what makes people think of officers as a gang in blue, rather than the agency there to protect us and serve us, in the interest of public good.

yea but night after night you are dealling with people that you can catch red handed and still hear "I didnt do it". after a while you begin to know bullshit whin you hear it. you also know the law and how to get around it. did you know that cops are not supposed to randomly run licence plates through their computer but they still do? if they find something they can make up any reason on his report of why he stopped you and why he ran your plate. he swerved a lil or whatever.

[devil13]

Ah, I see what you are saying. I don't mean it politically though. I suppose my parents might have been making a political statement when they chose to raise me unaware that some people thought skin color could be any more of a factor in personality traits than eye color. It is not that I believe I am African under the skin. I just wasn't raised to notice skin color in any significant way.

yea I just see it in a genetic sort of way we are all the same.

[ForrestBlack]

Now racial profiling on Airlines. The hassle you experience is unessisary, it is the result of not spnding money wisely. In vegas you are watched like a hawk, but it is never intrusive. Unobtrusive and effective. So why can't we have that at airports? Why are airports paying some guy who flunked out of burger college to check my bags?

It is my honest opinion that overbearing airport security is a political ploy to scare the general public. That makes them more comfortable approving billions we need for more security to protect us from the communist mafia or whatever. The FAA is a government agency and they can push for things that are not always good business, but might be good politics.

The problem with the American air travel industry is that it wants to be private sector when it does well and wants to be public sector when it does poorly. The government is not the best organization to run the airline industry, but that industry always calls up the government whenever it has a hard time.

I think your point about the casino industry is exactly on point, they know what is good for business. They create an atmosphere of safety and security, so people feel comfortable bringing their money there. The airlines create an atmosphere of panic and fear, so although they may fail for it, the government propping them up will more likely gain billions in anti-terrorist spending power from the freaked out citizens who feel that 'something must be done'.

[devil13]

kinda off topic but
hay Forrest did you hear about the LAX cop who died the other day. I was driving by about a half hour after it happened they had the whole street blocked off.

[ForrestBlack]

yea but night after night you are dealling with people that you can catch red handed and still hear "I didnt do it". after a while you begin to know bullshit whin you hear it. you also know the law and how to get around it. did you know that cops are not supposed to randomly run licence plates through their computer but they still do? if they find something they can make up any reason on his report of why he stopped you and why he ran your plate. he swerved a lil or whatever.

But clearly some people think they know bullshit when they hear it, but they are wrong. They think they know better, but they don't. That is why we have laws protecting our rights. These protect us from the posse that thinks it knows better. Lots of people know how to break the law, and many of them know how to do it and not get caught, but that doesn't make it right. If a cop thinks I have an open bottle of alcohol in my car and I know I don't, why shouldn't I be able to exercise the rights that have been granted to me? He figures I'm a middle aged white guy and middle aged white guys drink and drive, so odds are good in his mind that it's fair to hassle me? If we don't really have those rights, then why bother writing them down? They are there for a valid reason and we should respect them.

Most of the problematic profiling stuff falls into two areas, air travel and car travel. I think they are quite different, and the profiling is done for different objectives. Police are fairly sure that they can't search a black man's house without a warrant just to randomly look for drugs, but they feel they can search his car. Wouldn't looking in the windows of his house be the same as looking in the windows of his car? People feel that their car is their property, much like their house or apartment.

This also begs the question of discovery. Is the world safer because they found half a joint or whatever in some poor guys seat cushion? Did they really reduce problematic crime? It's just progress in the ridiculous 'drug war'. I suspect that if they wanted to pull over anyone serious, it would be part of an ongoing investigation and they should have more to go on than a racial profile.

[devil13]

Refusing a search is absolutely not probable cause. If it were, then the Bill of Rights would just be a piece of paper.

sure it is. what do you have to hide? probible cause can be allot of things. from how you act or answer his questions to something that he sees or smells.
you sign away your right to refuse to give blood, breath, or urine when you get your drivers license. all a cop has to do is ask if he feels that you may be under the influance.

[Amelia G]

sure it is. what do you have to hide? probible cause can be allot of things. from how you act or answer his questions to something that he sees or smells.
you sign away your right to refuse to give blood, breath, or urine when you get your drivers license. all a cop has to do is ask if he feels that you may be under the influance.

It doesn't matter that I have nothing to hide. I am entitled to privacy and, if I donate my time, it will be to a worthwhile charity and not to keep a bored police officer entertained.

I did once get a ticket for answering the drunk driving question with, "nope, just a bad driver." I was much younger and less good behind the wheel then though. And I told him he couldn't search my car and, aside from shining his flashlight at me and my friend, he didn't.

[ForrestBlack]

sure it is. what do you have to hide? probible cause can be allot of things. from how you act or answer his questions to something that he sees or smells.
you sign away your right to refuse to give blood, breath, or urine when you get your drivers license. all a cop has to do is ask if he feels that you may be under the influance.

And a cop could shoot you in the head and say he thought you pulled a gun. That doesn't mean it's justified.

I think Amelia is saying that she thinks people should exercise their rights rather than let authority trample them. If more people knew their rights and used them, then authority wouldn't get so pissy and vindictive towards the ones that do. After all, it is their right.

[devil13]

Wouldn't looking in the windows of his house be the same as looking in the windows of his car? People feel that their car is their property, much like their house or apartment.

This also begs the question of discovery. Is the world safer because they found half a joint or whatever in some poor guys seat cushion? Did they really reduce problematic crime? It's just progress in the ridiculous 'drug war'. I suspect that if they wanted to pull over anyone serious, it would be part of an ongoing investigation and they should have more to go on than a racial profile.

if a cop was in foot persuit of a suspect who goes though your yard and he spots the meth lab through your kitchen window can he come back and arrest you without a warrent? yes he had a lawfull reason to be be on your property and it was in plain view.
as for the half a joint anything under a gram is a misdemeanor. its just a ticket in Ca.

[devil13]

And a cop could shoot you in the head and say he thought you pulled a gun. That doesn't mean it's justified.

I think Amelia is saying that she thinks people should exercise their rights rather than let authority trample them. If more people knew their rights and used them, then authority wouldn't get so pissy and vindictive towards the ones that do. After all, it is their right.

its happened before cops have shot plenty of people and look at the debate about LAPD using thier flashlights as a weapon too. some say its justified and others say its wong.
and yes I believe that we should exercise our rights but you have to know what your rights are before you can.

[ForrestBlack]

its happened before cops have shot plenty of people and look at the debate about LAPD using thier flashlights as a weapon too. some say its justified and others say its wong.
and yes I believe that we should exercise our rights but you have to know what your rights are before you can.

A discussion about what is right and what the objectives and goals of policy should be certainly does not preclude awareness of how things are. I'm certainly not about to say that cops and robbers alike have not abused or overstepped the rights afforded to them. I think we are talking about where the lines should be drawn, not simply acknowledging the idea that people abuse their rights and powers and probably make life difficult for everyone else.

[ForrestBlack]

if a cop was in foot persuit of a suspect who goes though your yard and he spots the meth lab through your kitchen window can he come back and arrest you without a warrent? yes he had a lawfull reason to be be on your property and it was in plain view.
as for the half a joint anything under a gram is a misdemeanor. its just a ticket in Ca.

I'm honestly not 100% certain they would have the right under those circumstances, but for the sake of argument, say that did give them the right to search your house, you had it in plain view. If you got pulled over and had an open beer in the cup holder, they would have the right to search your car, as that would be probable cause. If you didn't have an open beer, if your only visible infraction was being a minority, that wouldn't and shouldn't give them the right to look in your glove compartment for the gram.

[devil13]

A discussion about what is right and what the objectives and goals of policy should be certainly does not preclude awareness of how things are. I'm certainly not about to say that cops and robbers alike have not abused or overstepped the rights afforded to them. I think we are talking about where the lines should be drawn, not simply acknowledging the idea that people abuse their rights and powers and probably make life difficult for everyone else.

yea where should the line be drawn is the tough question.
every year new laws are written into California Law its always a good thing to know what rights you have.
but to get back to racial profiling did you know that they cant search a group of arabs at the airport because its racial profiling but they can search the rest of us and detain us if they feel like it?

[devil13]

if your only visible infraction was being a minority, that wouldn't and shouldn't give them the right to look in your glove compartment for the gram.

thats not what they would put on thier report but they would find something to put down and if you think there isnt any racist cops out there your just foolin yourself.

[devil13]

but to get back to racial profiling did you know that they cant search a group of arabs at the airport because its racial profiling but they can search the rest of us and detain us if they feel like it?

DUH
I must be getting tired I just repeted what Amelia asked in the first place