Vitamins/Organic Food

[Mirren]

Do you think vitamins really work or are they an over priced scam? I used to work in the heath food/vitamin industry and saw people spending 200.00 - 300.00 a week on them on a consistent basis. The people seemed like they were addicted to every new item that came out on the market. Technically you can get these vitamins and nutrients in food. I take vitamins like C, E, and Glucosamine. I have seen too many studies showing that many companies' Organic food wasn't much different or any different than what is sold in other stores. I do eat some Organic items, I prefer the taste.

[autumn]

That's a good topic. I can understand why people would spend that much money on vitamins given there are so many for lots of different things and if your health conscious it would appeal to you. Make sense? I take a mutli-vita just to be sure I get all my needed vitamins and such. I'd prefer organic but some stuff is just too expensive. The appeal of Organic is the non-use of pesticides or GMOs. I have recently heard of mis-labeling for organic milk and eggs stating cage free but the hens weren't. I guess you just have to research the companies because some are owned by corporations like phillip morris, etc.

[Anarkey]

most work but because of like you said a influx of peeps wantin better health , there able to jack the price so high ya get nose bleed .
when i worked in Illinois,i did hydroponic farmin ,grew alfalfa and bean sprouts .and we sold other health oriented type food stuffs..
now because of my health and age i take a multi,and E,,and B..and i like to have a glass r two of Ensure every day ,cuzz i tend to skip meals ..
and i try to buy Organic when i can ,,i feel its just better for ya in the long run.

A

Oh and hy Autumn,weres ya been !//???

[autumn]

Oh and hy Autumn,weres ya been !//??? [/QUOTE]

you missed me?

I was away watching over my great-grandma's place while she was in the hospital. There is no internet connection there, so you know. I'm glad to be back home.

[Anarkey]

well glad yer back ,hope your great-Grannys ok ..
i know how that is ,my mom wasnt home for mothers day cuzz she was with my grannmotherz ,she's 89 years old ..

and of course we missed ya !

[autumn]

well glad yer back ,hope your great-Grannys ok ..
i know how that is ,my mom wasnt home for mothers day cuzz she was with my grannmotherz ,she's 89 years old ..

and of course we missed ya !

yeah granny is 92. Awww...thanks guys!

[Mirren]

Yeah, was wondering where you went. I have always loved the name Autumn. Glad your great-grandma is doing better. Welcome back.

[autumn]

Yeah, was wondering where you went. I have always loved the name Autumn. Glad your great-grandma is doing better. Welcome back.

Thanks! Yeah Autumn is my favorite season

[mmmcherry]

hah anarkey... teach me how to grow veggies in the hydroponic shit ill make my own chemical and shit free baby food!
yeah right now im taking vitamin B6 cause i ran out of my anti-morning sickness pills, which are made of B6 and an antihisthamine, and theyre working almost as good im a little bit nautious, but i think as long as i keep my stomach from being empty for too long ill be alright!

[Toe Cutter]

The appeal of Organic is the non-use of pesticides or GMOs.

That's why I eat organic when I can.

I feel as if I'm hedging my bets against getting cancer. It's probably psychological but I feel better about eating organic.

[Morning Glory]

im a little bit nautious, but i think as long as i keep my stomach from being empty for too long ill be alright!

try eating ginger. They said on mythbusters that it helps stop nausea, and it works for me.

[mmmcherry]

ahhh god yeah... everyone says ginger is good, but the smell alone makes me gag and when i first started getting morning sickness, i drank 3 cups of ginger peach tea, then threw up for the first time. it sucked.
no more ginger for meeee!

[Bondage Clown]

All the fircking food we eat is organic... GD, I am sorry i know... "Organic" foods don't have chemicals.. but JC, give me a frickin break... it is just a way for someone to charge more money for the MF'ing oranges

[Mirren]

All the fircking food we eat is organic... GD, I am sorry i know... "Organic" foods don't have chemicals.. but JC, give me a frickin break... it is just a way for someone to charge more money for the MF'ing oranges

You don't want your baby eating all that processed food! We want him top notch and healthy. Be glad the mother of your child is concerned. We don't want his first words to be : I'm lovin' it.

[Mirren]

Organic farms see growth on more demand

By TERENCE CHEA, Associated Press Writer Tue May 30, 3:45 PM ET

SAN JUAN BAUTISTA, Calif. - Earthbound Farm's fields of organic baby spinach and romaine lettuce are a living symbol of the organic food movement's explosive growth in recent years.

What started two decades ago as a three-acre roadside farm in this valley 90 miles south of San Francisco has grown into the country's largest grower of organic produce, with more than 100 types of fruits and vegetables on 28,000 acres in the U.S. and abroad.

Earthbound's extraordinary growth is only the most visible example of how organic farming is changing. Small family farms created as an alternative to conventional agriculture are increasingly giving way to large-scale operations that harvest thousands of acres and market their produce nationwide.

And with Wal-Mart, Safeway, Albertson's and other big supermarket chains expanding their organic offerings, the transformation may only be in its early stages.

"I don't think (consumers) have any idea just how industrialized it's becoming," said Michael Pollan, a journalism professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and author of "The Omnivore's Dilemma." "There are some real downsides to organic farming scaling up to this extent."

Pollan and others worry that the expansion of "Big Organic" will lower food quality, weaken standards and hurt small family farms. As organic goes mainstream, critics say, the movement loses touch with its roots as an eco-friendly system that offers a direct connection between consumers and the land where their food is grown.

Byron Albano, who handles marketing for Cuyama Orchards, his parents' 210-acre organic apple orchard in Santa Barbara County, worries the entry of Wal-Mart and other supermarket chains will "lead to organic produce becoming a commodity with prices being dictated by those buyers."

Other experts say the trend simply gives more consumers access to high-quality food and keeps prices down. It's also good for the environment because fewer pesticides and fertilizers will pollute the air and water.

Despite its size, Earthbound Farm follows the same practices as smaller organic farms. It rotates crops to enrich the soil and avoid disease, doesn't use chemical fertilizers or herbicides, and brings in syrphid flies and other beneficial insects to control pests.

Earthbound's bagged salads and other organic products are now sold in more than 80 percent of U.S. supermarkets.

"Earthbound Farm's mission is to bring the benefits of organic to as many people as possible," said Myra Goodman, who founded the company with her husband Drew.

Organic food only makes up 2.5 percent of U.S. food sales, but it's the fastest growing segment of the market. Sales reached nearly $14 billion last year, up from $6 billion five years earlier, according to the Organic Trade Association in Greenfield, Mass.

"Consumers see organic products as fitting in with a healthful life," OTA spokeswoman Holly Givens said.

To meet growing demand from increasingly health conscious consumers and supermarket chains, farmers and ranchers are scaling up production and converting land to meet organic standards set by the U.S.
Department of Agriculture.

According to the USDA's rules, organic produce must be grown without synthetic fertilizers or bioengineering and animals raised without antibiotics or growth hormones. A separate industry of government-approved organic certifiers has emerged to inspect farms and food handlers to ensure they conform. Some advocates don't think the rules go far enough and are asking for a requirement that dairy cows be pasture-fed, not raised on feedlots.

The latest USDA survey in 2003 found that 2.2 million acres of farmland and ranchland had been certified organic, but that number is believed to have risen substantially since then, said Jake Lewin, director of marketing at California Certified Organic Farmers, one of the country's largest certifiers.

Concerns about the increasing commercialism of organic farming reached a new level this spring when Wal-Mart announced it was joining other major grocery chains in ramping up organic sales.

Some small farmers worried that the world's biggest retailer, notorious for squeezing suppliers to get the lowest price, would push them out of business.

Other advocates welcome the news, saying growers would benefit from rising demand and consumers would see prices drop. In the past, organic food has been associated with high-end retailers like the Whole Foods Market supermarket chain.

"It will bring organic to a whole new economic stratum that our farmers' markets and natural food stores have been unable to reach," said Bob Scowcroft, executive director of the Organic Farming Research Foundation in Santa Cruz, Calif.

But others worry that as more farmers shift to organic production to meet the needs of big supermarket chains, they will drive down food quality and weaken standards.

For example, some suppliers have been marketing organic soybeans and other products grown overseas, where it's harder to determine whether farms meet U.S. standards, said Ronnie Cummins, national director of the Organic Consumers Association, in Finland, Minn.

"We're heading for a consumer crisis over standards and the outsourcing of organic products from overseas," Cummins said. "There will be continuing conflict between consumers, the USDA and companies not playing by the rules."

UC Berkeley's Pollan encourages environmentally minded consumers to shop at their local farmers' market. When they buy organic products in supermarkets, those items must be refrigerated and often transported long distances, consuming as much fossil fuel as the conventional food system, he said.

"If organic means anything, it should mean that this food has a lighter environmental footprint," Pollan said. "It's really the supermarket and the supermarket shopper that drive the industrialization of organic."

But Earthbound's Myra Goodman said organic farmers can't be expected to solve the problems of the U.S. food distribution system. Her company has a good relationship with Wal-Mart, whose organic expansion plans represent "the democratization of organics."

"The vast majority of food is bought in supermarkets," Goodman said. "Those people should have an organic choice."

[Morning Glory]

Earthbound's Myra Goodman said organic farmers can't be expected to solve the problems of the U.S. food distribution system.

Of course. That's the mark of your typical capitalist. What they really mean is not that they can't be expected, but that they won't do anything to change it. So what if I'm destroying the environment, which will render my own market obsolete anyway? I'm trying to make a living here!


While I do agree that the more people who grow organic the better it's going to be, we have to look at the long term solutions and the sustainabilty. I know that author guy is pretty smart, but he's too radical to be accepted by the mainstream, which is a shame.